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People will say anything if they believe their correspondence to be private.
I'd like to know how many of the executives were actually involved in conversations like this and how many of them received these emails.
I find it very hard to believe that they were all in on this type of banter - "Dated maternal workforce", "Dinobabies" The emails do not sound like something written by a seasoned professional.
Was this chatter between a handful of executives or between them all as a larger group? I feel like we're missing context here.
People in their 40s are kind of young to be considered “Dino babies”, they’ve still got at least a decade or more of slaving away for a corporation who couldn’t care less about them.
People in their 40s are kind of young to be considered “Dino babies”, they’ve still got at least a decade or more of slaving away for a corporation who couldn’t care less about them.
I laughed when I read that 40 year olds were considered older and "dated". That's what me wonder who really wrote that nonsense.
It almost sounds like teenagers complaining about how the adults in the room don't want them to have any fun. "They don't understand social"....
Back in the day when my employer needed to run a rif I had them parse their plan by age SUB-SET. That prevented executive decisions with age as a factor.
Before I moved to the private sector I worked for DOL. They had responsibility for enforcing the Age Discrimination in Employment Act before it was handed off to EEOC. Much of EEOC's enforcement activity is now handed to states under contract. Multi-state invitations would be difficult. Likely the best opening would be by a former IBM employee in New York State (where IBM is headquartered) alleging a pattern of age discrimination. The law requires notification to the employer and mediation with the complainant. When it comes to pattern and practice investigation data is determinative.
I'd like to know how many of the executives were actually involved in conversations like this and how many of them received these emails.
I find it very hard to believe that they were all in on this type of banter - "Dated maternal workforce", "Dinobabies" The emails do not sound like something written by a seasoned professional.
Was this chatter between a handful of executives or between them all as a larger group? I feel like we're missing context here.
Two former execs were reportedly involved in the Email exchange and both were fired. Their names and positions were redacted in the lawsuit documents.
"The lawsuit, with its origins in 2018, started after IBM eliminated jobs for more than 20,000 U.S. employees over the age of 40, representing 60% of its total job cuts in the U.S. during those years, according to ProPublica...One email from a former IBM executive, whose name is redacted in the filing, referred to older employees’ perceived lack of understanding of the digital landscape as a danger for the company. “This is what must change,” the email reads, per the filing. “They really don’t understand social or engagement. Not digital natives. A real threat for us.”"
What I find funny is that the company would cut Gen Xers - they certainly understand the "digital landscape."
"The lawsuit, with its origins in 2018, started after IBM eliminated jobs for more than 20,000 U.S. employees over the age of 40, representing 60% of its total job cuts in the U.S. during those years, according to ProPublica...One email from a former IBM executive, whose name is redacted in the filing, referred to older employees’ perceived lack of understanding of the digital landscape as a danger for the company. “This is what must change,” the email reads, per the filing. “They really don’t understand social or engagement. Not digital natives. A real threat for us.”"
What I find funny is that the company would cut Gen Xers - they certainly understand the "digital landscape."
Exactly. But the same can be said for a lot of the boomers still working.
I just do not see this ageist attitude as being widespread throughout the executives. The fact that the two caught engaging in this ridiculous exchange are now former employees speaks volumes.
Exactly. But the same can be said for a lot of the boomers still working.
I just do not see this ageist attitude as being widespread throughout the executives. The fact that the two caught engaging in this ridiculous exchange are now former employees speaks volumes.
That's because they got caught.
Other executives at other companies are not such digital dinos as to leave a digital footprint, if or when they engage in ageism. The irony of this incident would be hilarious if it didn't involve the massive disruption of people's lives.
Exactly. But the same can be said for a lot of the boomers still working.
I just do not see this ageist attitude as being widespread throughout the executives. The fact that the two caught engaging in this ridiculous exchange are now former employees speaks volumes.
I was even going to mention the boomers, because I'm one and I have one boomer friend who run large video game company, another who has written widely-used C++ and other manuals, etc. I've commented elsewhere about how irritated I get when people assume seniors can't use or understand technology.
Also, the article points out that the execs involved no longer work for the company, so hopefully, the current management isn't so bigoted.
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