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Old 02-17-2022, 10:17 AM
 
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This is typical in high tech. What they are saying is what all tech companies are thinking. In terms of women. Women have an expiration date that men don't have. Men are desirable at any age in our society. None of this is anything new. Someone just got caught voicing it out loud.
I don't think this was woman-specific. I don't think all or even most of the 20,000 laid off were women.
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Old 02-17-2022, 12:47 PM
 
Location: West of Louisiana, East of New Mexico
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They need to release the names and ages of the executives sending these emails. They must have felt quite comfortable with their stance on culling their aging maternal workforce to be shooting off texts like that to the other executives.

So their plan was to replace these over 40 workers with millennial males? Or did they consider millennial females to be adequate replacements, too?

Who are these idiots? Seriously?
My guess is that the executives are Gen X and Boomer men that want to see younger Millenial women in the workplace. Predatory? Probably. Why have grandma in the consultant position when you can get a "hot" and....'perky' 27-year old? I don't envision a bunch of Millenials being high up enough at IBM to make these changes. Ageism and perhaps sexism.
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Old 02-17-2022, 12:53 PM
 
Location: West of Louisiana, East of New Mexico
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People in their 40s are kind of young to be considered “Dino babies”, they’ve still got at least a decade or more of slaving away for a corporation who couldn’t care less about them.
The irony.......is that the oldest Millenials are in their early 40's now.

The term "Millenial" seems to be a catchall for young people but ignores the fact that Millenials aren't exactly young anymore. What the IBM execs want is young Millenials and the oldest members of Gen Z (Z mainly being the children of Gen X).
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Old 02-17-2022, 01:14 PM
 
Location: God's Gift to Mankind for flying anything
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If you work in a "right to work State" you can be "laid-off" without cause (I think).
At least it seems that way.
I and 8 other employees were "let go" all in one day...
We figured out that we were all around 62 years old.
The place is low tech manufacturing.

The reason is that they do not have to pay full pension benefits and older workers can be replaced by younger lower-paid workers.

In the end, it is called a "business decision"...

The hardest part is to find another job, because how long would anyone work after 62 years?
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Old 02-17-2022, 06:25 PM
 
Location: PNW
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I don't think this was woman-specific. I don't think all or even most of the 20,000 laid off were women.
You missed this bit then --

One high-ranking executive, whose name was redacted from the lawsuit, said IBM had a "dated maternal workforce."
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Old 02-17-2022, 08:46 PM
 
Location: Juneau, AK + Puna, HI
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You missed this bit then --

One high-ranking executive, whose name was redacted from the lawsuit, said IBM had a "dated maternal workforce."
But maternal could be used in this case as a synonym for protective, caring, etc.-not necessarily characteristics possessed only by females.
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Old 02-17-2022, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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That's wild, isn't it? They make it sound like all the workers over whatever age are women, which can't possibly be true.

Sounds like some of the execs have mommy issues.
And some of them have thinking issues.
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Old 02-17-2022, 09:04 PM
 
Location: California
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Over 40 is OLD?
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Old 02-17-2022, 09:29 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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And some of them have thinking issues.
Over the hill! Kaput! Put 'em out to pasture!
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Old 02-17-2022, 10:49 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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Over 40 is OLD?
Yeah, kind of surprising isn't it?

I was laid off from the banking industry about 10 years ago, I was completely shocked to learn from recruiters that I was already an "older worker" in my early 40s! Talk about outdated concepts.

The workers are considered "old" in their 40s and 50s, yet are discriminated by corporate management in their 60s and 70s. There is some kind of disconnect from reality here.
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