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Old 08-04-2018, 07:20 AM
 
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Yes, it is "law" in some states. Children must have current vaccines to register for public school in some states and some states are considering forcing entire populations to be inoculated.

Currently, in some states nurses and other medical personal MUST get flu shots or risk being fired.

What used to be optional is now state mandated in some states.

And no one blinks an eye at individual rights that are being lost.

If anyone comes after me with a needle, I will scream "bloody murder" and run - if I can run - getting old.

This is truly scary.
Exactly. People always think that the authority in charge will be one that they agree with. They NEVER think. Huh, What if a mandate is something I don't agree with?
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Old 08-04-2018, 07:21 AM
 
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Please link to threads you have STARTED that are illuminating and helpful that do not promote drugs or doctors.

I'll wait.

Your specialty is waiting in the shadows to jump on any natural remedies that others might have reported are helpful. Then you post WALLS of words, dubious links galore, and basically just slam every possible natural remedy you can. What is your motive in doing that? Who has that much time on their hands?
It's kind of amazing. Anytime I try to rep a thread that has an alt med focus, I am not allowed. Not sure why that is. I rarely rep people. Tried to rep you. Just wanted you to know.
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Old 08-04-2018, 07:44 AM
 
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It's kind of amazing. Anytime I try to rep a thread that has an alt med focus, I am not allowed. Not sure why that is. I rarely rep people. Tried to rep you. Just wanted you to know.
Yeah....there is a conspiracy afoot to keep you from "repping" people

Perhaps you should learn how the rep system here works, it isn't that difficult...
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Old 08-04-2018, 08:36 AM
 
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Yeah....there is a conspiracy afoot to keep you from "repping" people

Perhaps you should learn how the rep system here works, it isn't that difficult...
Yeah. You click on the "rate this post positively button." Wonder why it doesn't seem to work in the alt med thread?

Thanks to the poster who sent a message to HELP. Funny how some people are only here to snark and attack when the entire purpose of the section is to HELP each other.
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Old 08-04-2018, 09:15 AM
 
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But the effects are very rare, right? I mean that's what they say in all the commercials. If the effects are so rare, wouldn't they still make a ton of money off selling them? The P&L would still be in the black.
They are rare, but unpredictable. A certain number of people will have an allergic reaction to a medication. The reaction is generally minor. It may be having the sort of sore arm my wife had after getting her shingrix vaccination the other day. In a few cases though it can put people in the hospital or result in disability.

Medications and vaccinations involve issues of balancing risk against benefit. The FDA uses a careful process and only approves medications for use when it determines that benefits of a particular drug exceed the risks involved in using it.

This process is far preferable to the paranoid hysteria some people have whenever they hear that the "gubamint" is involved in something.
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Old 08-04-2018, 11:08 AM
 
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They are rare, but unpredictable. A certain number of people will have an allergic reaction to a medication. The reaction is generally minor. It may be having the sort of sore arm my wife had after getting her shingrix vaccination the other day. In a few cases though it can put people in the hospital or result in disability.

Medications and vaccinations involve issues of balancing risk against benefit. The FDA uses a careful process and only approves medications for use when it determines that benefits of a particular drug exceed the risks involved in using it.

This process is far preferable to the paranoid hysteria some people have whenever they hear that the "gubamint" is involved in something.

And they should pay for it as they KNOW that this is a possible outcome of someone taking the drug.

If a car maker knowingly sold cars where breaks were defective 1% of the time and there was a risk of getting killed, how long would they remain in business?

Why is it OK for drugs to kill people Why do people just shrug it off, no big deal? I will never understand that mentality. It's like people are brainwashed. Car breaks may not work?!?!?!? Are they NUTS? Not buying that product, no way. This drug might KILL me? Meh, that's ok. No problem. /facepalm./

Drugs kill hundreds of thousands more than supplements ever did, yet pro-pharma people here rant about how unsafe supps are. Not even a close comparison.
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Old 08-04-2018, 11:11 AM
 
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If a car maker knowingly sold cars where breaks were defective 1% of the time and there was a risk of getting killed, how long would they remain in business?

Recalls kinda happen all the time. So far, they are still in business.
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Old 08-04-2018, 11:44 AM
 
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Recalls kinda happen all the time. So far, they are still in business.
That's the point. The drug makers do not have to fix the damages.
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Old 08-04-2018, 11:48 AM
 
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They are rare, but unpredictable. A certain number of people will have an allergic reaction to a medication. The reaction is generally minor. It may be having the sort of sore arm my wife had after getting her shingrix vaccination the other day. In a few cases though it can put people in the hospital or result in disability.

Medications and vaccinations involve issues of balancing risk against benefit. The FDA uses a careful process and only approves medications for use when it determines that benefits of a particular drug exceed the risks involved in using it.

This process is far preferable to the paranoid hysteria some people have whenever they hear that the "gubamint" is involved in something.
No one is talking about minor allergic reactions, we are talking about the rare, predicted serious complications that require medical care, if even fixable.
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Old 08-04-2018, 12:22 PM
 
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No one is talking about minor allergic reactions, we are talking about the rare, predicted serious complications that require medical care, if even fixable.
I'm talking about minor reactions as well as serious ones. I'm telling you that if you made the drug manufacturers responsible for all these the unpredictability that would create would cause many manufacturers to shut down completely. Those that remained in business would raise prices above and beyond the exorbitant levels they are right now.
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