01-15-2012, 05:00 PM
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What is your opinion on say - northeast Keller? Right smack next to Southlake?
I have seen and am very attracted to Manors at Waterford and I can see that the lots would be so much more expensive had it been a Southlake address. That said, it's right across the street from Southlake and in a very nice area.
What's the consensus?
Do you think this part of (northeast) Keller would appreciate or retain value better than other parts of Keller?
01-15-2012, 05:09 PM
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Nice over there, my brother lives on that end of Southlake. A little far off from the Town Center, but smack dab in the middle of both Keller and SL Town Centers.
01-15-2012, 05:34 PM
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It's right off 114 too.
01-15-2012, 05:53 PM
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We looked at Hidden lakes right on the border of Southlake.We loved it but could not commute for work.In my opinion,it is the best subdivision in Keller.It is a golf course community
01-15-2012, 07:58 PM
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developments like Manors of Waterford are designed to play off that same proximity/desire to be in Southlake but without the Southlake taxes--of course you are also doing w/o Carroll ISD...
your question is really will they retain/grow value like they started out--since lux homes like those at 1MM+ or close to it are the most expensive in Keller...
when you buy at the top of the market it is always hard to raise that ceiling--
Southlake has more homes over 1MM than Keller--
you should be checking how many new developments for Keller are scheduled that are going to start close to 1MM--
high end development has really born brunt of damage from RE crunch--at least in the NE Tarrant area--
many custom builders had problems staying afloat--
there is lot of inventory on market over 800K in the near 3==Keller, Southlake, Colleyville
there are some other neighborhoods in north Keller that have homes that started close to 1MM--like along Bourland Rd--on the edge of the Harmonsen Farm development--the acre lot homes that front Bourland built by Drees and Highland's arm (forget the name)...
the last part of the development along Bear Creek Parkway that is across from the golf course has homes that are close to 1MM and smaller lots than an acre
that north Keller area is custom builders--some of the same ones building in Southlake/Colleyville/Westlake, large lots, and uses a dynamic that Keller tried to take advantage of when it went to larger lot/high $$ development
Larry Cole and other developers bought land cheaper in Keller and hoped to get people to move there especially when the news of Fidelity coming to Westlake broke out...
my take based on probably some dated info is that the roads in that area can use some help and Keller was not not really in rush to improve them...mainly because of all the damage that construction traffic does to roads anyway--
many of them are/were two lane--open drainage--stop signs vs lights--and at certain times fo the day there is good deal of traffic out there
Ottinger rd when I last drove it was borderline dangerous in heavy rain--uneven, pot holes (from construction trucks probably), and narrow...
there are also very few streetlights...
of course some of the same is true for the north part of Southlake -- north of 114 where there is still open land for development
the schools in that area were some of the best in Keller several years ago when we were house shopping--have not checked their ratings lately or the high school they are zoned for--
that would be factor since not all Keller HS are considered equal
you should also consider that Keller has different drilling standards for gas wells than Southlake does and there are wells in that area and land under lease from what I know
I would check about pipelines
right now I would say that it is more risky to buy home in north Keller and hope to see it grow in value than the same type of home in Southlake or Colleyville--
if that is significant factor in your decision tree--then you are probably better off buying in Colleyville or Southlake...and there are houses in that price range in Westlake as well...
01-15-2012, 09:10 PM
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We looked at Hidden lakes right on the border of Southlake.We loved it but could not commute for work.In my opinion,it is the best subdivision in Keller.It is a golf course community
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. I don't like huge master planned communities and you cannot compare Manors of Waterford with Hidden Lakes.
The homes are on different price levels.
MOW range between 1M to 2M while HL is under 650K.
To call HL the best is a stretch. I'm not even sure if I can say that about MOW. I'm sure there are better.
01-15-2012, 09:25 PM
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Hidden lakes seemed great for the under $600,000 range.The topography was nice and the neighborhood had great amenities.
01-15-2012, 09:47 PM
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Hidden lakes seemed great for the under $600,000 range.The topography was nice and the neighborhood had great amenities.
Yes I understand - but you have to be a little careful with blanket statements like stating it is the best neighborhood in Keller. There are so many great neighborhoods.
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developments like Manors of Waterford are designed to play off that same proximity/desire to be in Southlake but without the Southlake taxes--of course you are also doing w/o Carroll ISD...
your question is really will they retain/grow value like they started out--since lux homes like those at 1MM+ or close to it are the most expensive in Keller...
when you buy at the top of the market it is always hard to raise that ceiling--
Southlake has more homes over 1MM than Keller--
you should be checking how many new developments for Keller are scheduled that are going to start close to 1MM--
high end development has really born brunt of damage from RE crunch--at least in the NE Tarrant area--
many custom builders had problems staying afloat--
there is lot of inventory on market over 800K in the near 3==Keller, Southlake, Colleyville
there are some other neighborhoods in north Keller that have homes that started close to 1MM--like along Bourland Rd--on the edge of the Harmonsen Farm development--the acre lot homes that front Bourland built by Drees and Highland's arm (forget the name)...
the last part of the development along Bear Creek Parkway that is across from the golf course has homes that are close to 1MM and smaller lots than an acre
that north Keller area is custom builders--some of the same ones building in Southlake/Colleyville/Westlake, large lots, and uses a dynamic that Keller tried to take advantage of when it went to larger lot/high $$ development
Larry Cole and other developers bought land cheaper in Keller and hoped to get people to move there especially when the news of Fidelity coming to Westlake broke out...
my take based on probably some dated info is that the roads in that area can use some help and Keller was not not really in rush to improve them...mainly because of all the damage that construction traffic does to roads anyway--
many of them are/were two lane--open drainage--stop signs vs lights--and at certain times fo the day there is good deal of traffic out there
Ottinger rd when I last drove it was borderline dangerous in heavy rain--uneven, pot holes (from construction trucks probably), and narrow...
there are also very few streetlights...
of course some of the same is true for the north part of Southlake -- north of 114 where there is still open land for development
the schools in that area were some of the best in Keller several years ago when we were house shopping--have not checked their ratings lately or the high school they are zoned for--
that would be factor since not all Keller HS are considered equal
you should also consider that Keller has different drilling standards for gas wells than Southlake does and there are wells in that area and land under lease from what I know
I would check about pipelines
right now I would say that it is more risky to buy home in north Keller and hope to see it grow in value than the same type of home in Southlake or Colleyville--
if that is significant factor in your decision tree--then you are probably better off buying in Colleyville or Southlake...and there are houses in that price range in Westlake as well...
Thanks for the info L2R. I will add, I think Keller has a higher property tax rate than Southlake. 2.6 vs 2.5.
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People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)