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Old 07-17-2012, 11:51 AM
 
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However, if you compare the performance of those kids who are top students, and then look at National Merit stats, AP performance, elite college admissions, etc., PISD outperforms Carroll ISD by a significant margin.
Its not even close. PISD can fill up several classes with its top students while Carroll would struggle to fill up one.

Not to knock Carroll. It has a solid group of kids and a great program.
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Old 07-17-2012, 07:12 PM
 
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I'll happily undermine them....lol! But seriously, TAKS tests (on which these ratings are based) are only a small piece of the academic quality puzzle, and a typically more a reflection of the affluence and uniformity of the area than anything else. Not always...but often. You also need to look at things like SAT scores, number of National Merit finalists, college acceptance/ Ivy League acceptance, AP/IB offerings, etc. That's where you will see where the real value in the education lies...how well will it prepare your kid for college (search through TurtleCreek80's threads. She's broken these stats down a number of times befoe on here). In these measures , Plano definitely outperforms Southlake. Southlake still has GREAT schools, don't get me wrong...Plano's are just better. Add in proximity to retail and work and the diversity factor, and Plano could be your winner. However if a larger newer house, or larger lot, are higher on the priority list, then Southlake might be a better fit. Good luck with your decision!
And Plano's number of NMFs is a primary result of a 25% Asian population. You poo poo Southlake's exemplary rating as a result of the demographics, (which is true, almost zero low income) then list off other criteria that ALSO have to with demographics, ASIANS. Higher on average IQ's than Caucasians. That's the unvarnished truth. Neither school district elevates what they are dealing with more than the other.

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Old 07-17-2012, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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And Plano's number of NMFs is a primary result of a 25% Asian population. You poo poo Southlake's exemplary rating as a result of the demographics, (which is true, almost zero low income) then list off other criteria that ALSO have to with demographics, ASIANS. Higher on average IQ's than Caucasians. That's the unvarnished truth. Neither school district elevates what they are dealing with more than the other.
Bzzt. Thanks for playing, but wrong.

Lots of the Plano NMSF kids are Asian. But lots of them aren't - percentage-wise, PISD still beats Southlake even if you toss the Asians from the calculation.
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Old 07-17-2012, 07:28 PM
 
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Bzzt. Thanks for playing, but wrong.

Lots of the Plano NMSF kids are Asian. But lots of them aren't - percentage-wise, PISD still beats Southlake even if you toss the Asians from the calculation.

Who argues they aren't poor Asians in Plano?

We are talking about "group outcomes" here. AVERAGES.

Has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact you know of some poor Asians in Plano....LOL

Plano West.....19% of the Student body, producing 57% of the 2012's NMFs.


Kelsey T. Ball
Brittany T. Barber
Rebecca A. Chang
Su Min Cho
Helen T. Chu

Kaline E. Gabriel
Stephanie M. Gullo
Caitlin E. Gutschenritter
Sharwin C. Khot
Lea K. Konczal
Chen J. Lee
Mark Lee
Michelle P. Lee
Andrew Li


Stephany C. Liu
Monica Lu

William G. McMillan
Rachel L. Miller
Brandon P. Mond
Jieun Moon
Christina T. Nguyen

Emily J. Niewiarowski
Jae Eun Park
Archit A. Sahay
Jennifer K. Sakowski
Sarah S. Shaikh
Christian N. Wyse
Ezra B. Yu

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Old 07-17-2012, 07:54 PM
 
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Who argues they aren't poor Asians in Plano?

We are talking about "group outcomes" here. AVERAGES.

Has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact you know of some poor Asians in Plano....LOL

Plano West.....19% of the Student body, producing 57% of the 2012's NMFs.


Kelsey T. Ball
Brittany T. Barber
Rebecca A. Chang
Su Min Cho
Helen T. Chu

Kaline E. Gabriel
Stephanie M. Gullo
Caitlin E. Gutschenritter
Sharwin C. Khot
Lea K. Konczal
Chen J. Lee
Mark Lee
Michelle P. Lee
Andrew Li


Stephany C. Liu
Monica Lu

William G. McMillan
Rachel L. Miller
Brandon P. Mond
Jieun Moon
Christina T. Nguyen

Emily J. Niewiarowski
Jae Eun Park
Archit A. Sahay
Jennifer K. Sakowski
Sarah S. Shaikh
Christian N. Wyse
Ezra B. Yu
In some circles this is considered racial profiling.
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Old 07-17-2012, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Uh, you're proving my point here.

The non-bolded names from your post give me 12 NMSFs from Plano West that aren't Asian.

By comparison, Carroll had 6 non-Asian NMSFs last year. Yes, Southlake is smaller, but it isn't 50% smaller, especially if you subtract out the Asian population from both schools.

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And I'd say you also blew off Plano Senior, which had a even better showing than PWSH:

Plano Senior High School
Taylor Alatorre
Brandon S. Barber
Kayla H. Bu
Abigail E. Buffington
Lindsey A. Carver
Caroline Chen
Patricia Chen
Stephanie A. Chu

Rachel A. Clark
Benjamin T. Cook
Jinge Du
Kelsey E. Erwin
Daniel J. Gomez
Diva Gulati
Adwa E. Habtu
Emily R. Higgs
Khwaja A. Kamran
Lindsey Kehlmann
Milan Kodali
Darien Lee
Naseoul Lee
Yu-Chun A. Lin
Joel E. Liou
Lawrence J. Liu
David Ma

Samantha R. Meyer
Min J. Moon
Prashant K. Narayan
Shantha K. Nithiananda
Isabel S. Ong
Sagar D. Parikh
Ashwin M. Ramakrishnan
Shalini N. Ranmuthu
Akshob R. Rao
Manideep Ravi
Karthik Ravikumar

Steven G. Reese
Samarth Srinivasan
Ali S. Tejani

Zachary M. Van Duyne
Jarom I. Weatherford
Stephanie C. Wright
David Wu
Angela Xin
Kaili Yang
Joseph L. Yeh
Jessie K. Zhou


That's 17 white/black/Hispanic NMSFs.
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Old 07-17-2012, 11:56 PM
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Plano is an old town essentially out of buildable land, so is a place of either ole dumps or a few new houses built on tiny, absurdly costly pieces of dirt often in less than ideal settings

NatlMerit and all are interesting but even at Stanford <10% of students are CS majors (perhaps explaining why >30-40% of undergrads from "elite" colleges today are un/underemployed despite $250K, 4yr diplomas entailing zero job skills)

And Chinese seem prominent in many NatlMerit lists or amongst students at Stanf/Harv undergrad....but ranks of highest-paid software engineers in SiliconValley or hedgies in SF/NYC are dominated by white/Jewish/Indian males, rather rare Chinese, and nearly no females of any color....it is what it is....just like NBA/NFL....real world (investors/customers/employers) pays big money for skills in a rather different manner than SesameStreet criteria of HS/college or any affirm action mandate...
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Old 07-18-2012, 12:31 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Plano is an old town essentially out of buildable land, so is a place of either ole dumps or a few new houses built on tiny, absurdly costly pieces of dirt often in less than ideal settings
You forgot to add your usual dismissal of PISD as a "mediocre public school". And looking at some of those "fixer-upper cottages" selling in HPISD for close to $1M, that real estate description might suit large portions of HP/UP as well.

Not sure what any of the rest of this has to do with the price of bananas, but OK. Meg Whitman and Sally Krawcheck might disagree with you, though.

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NatlMerit and all are interesting but even at Stanford <10% of students are CS majors (perhaps explaining why >30-40% of undergrads from "elite" colleges today are un/underemployed despite $250K, 4yr diplomas entailing zero job skills)

And Chinese seem prominent in many NatlMerit lists or amongst students at Stanf/Harv undergrad....but ranks of highest-paid software engineers in SiliconValley or hedgies in SF/NYC are dominated by white/Jewish/Indian males, rather rare Chinese, and nearly no females of any color....it is what it is....just like NBA/NFL....real world (investors/customers/employers) pays big money for skills in a rather different manner than SesameStreet criteria of HS/college or any affirm action mandate...
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Old 07-18-2012, 01:54 PM
 
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What is the criteria for getting into the exemplary schools in West Plano? Is it gonna be on merit or the schools associated to your community/area?
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Old 07-18-2012, 02:08 PM
 
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Schools are zoned to the area you reside. It is possible to apply for a transfer to another school if there is space available, but you can't depend on that being the case.
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