North Frisco, TX./Field's Project & PGA Frisco HQ (Dallas: new home, buyers)

[Fiber Guy]

Originally Posted by biafra4life

Glad you mentioned the theme park. Someone made the observation on one of the other threads that Frisco was trying to compete with Arlington to be the entertainment capital of north texas. I also mentioned that Frisco has seemingly hung its hat on all these "play" options while not much in the way of "work" options.

So let's look at Arlington. They have Six Flags, Hurricane Harbor, Cowboys and Rangers. And they've had all 4 for several years now. Can we clearly say that this has improved Arlington? Made it a desirable place to live? As someone who lived next door in Fort Worth back in the late 90s, I would argue that Arlington has declined quite a bit from that time period till now, even after the addition of the cowboys.

Compare Arlington the fun town to a similarly aged city like Richardson which doesnt have much in the way of entertainment but has a whole bunch of corporates instead. Richardson has aged far better than Arlington, and I'm a firm believer that the focus on corporate jobs is a big reason why. I suspect that we will be having similar conversations about Frisco vs Plano 30 years from now, when all the housing stock in Frisco is considered old and everyone is moving to Gunter and Van Alstyne as the "new Frisco". For a city that has the "smartest men in the room" seems like they really missed a trick here.

Missed What? LOL! The Star(Dallas Cowboys), E-Sports, Rough Riders minor league baseball, Texas Legends minor league basketball, Hall Office Park(5 Billion $ Office Project expansion), Fields Project(5 Billion $ expansion 11 times the size of Legacy West in Plano, TX.), new Omni Flagship Hotel, new planned Ritz-Carlton Hotel, Frisco Station(Ross Perot Jr. 1.5 Billion $ expansion) new Universal Studios Theme Park, Frisco PGA HQ, FC Dallas Soccer with stadium & Hall of Fame,(adjacent 12 fields for playing in kids leagues), new UT Southwestern Hospital(one of the BEST in the country), (2) new H.E.B. Grocery Stores, (2) new arts centers set to build, new University of North Texas campus, future proposed 1,000 acre park! JOBS! JOBS! JOBS Hwy 121 & Dallas North Tollway, JP Morgan, Toyota North American HQ, Liberty Mutual Insurance Regional, JC Penney HQ, State Farm Regional nearby Richardson, TX. Highway system North Hwy 380 & Outer North Loop, East Hwy 75, South George Bush Tollway & Hwy 121, East IH 35. Discussions to turn McKinney Airport into a Regional Airport. The young and highly educated workforces in both Frisco, TX. & Plano, TX. complement one another, providing a big draw for employers coming to NTX! All this has happened since 2004 when we moved to Frisco, TX. & later moved to Prosper, TX, in 2015. Less than 20 Years!

Average per home income in Frisco, TX. is 150K $ to 200K $, average age 35-39, 50% appx. have college degrees and Frisco ISD schools are some of the BEST in NTX & are highly sought after by families relocating to NTX! New homebuyers can view a plethora of different types of housing both in quality and sizes with nice architectural features. BTW, if you really THINK Van Alstyne, TX. and Gunter, TX. are Cities for the 21st Century, you need to take some courses in "City Planning" never gonna happen! You genuinely have no real imagination for what makes GREAT cities GREAT! LOL!

Now let's see YOUR LIST of what other cities have done & what Frisco has missed?

[biafra4life]

Originally Posted by Fiber Guy

Missed What? LOL!

Missed out on the fact that to build a truly strong, versatile city that will thrive for decades to come, you cant put all your eggs in one basket, especially not the entertainment basket. For starters, it's far easier for competing cities to get restaurants to set up shop...not so much to attract a Fortune 500 corp giant. Then there's the vulnerability of retail/restaurants to the economy. Far more volatile than the big corps. Finally, having a bunch of retail/restaurants means a low paid workforce. Those workers are not going to be buying all those $700K homes. Like I said, just look at Arlington for what happens when you have nothing but retail/sports/restaurants. Arllington used to be a nicer city back in the 80s and 90s too.

[Fiber Guy]

Originally Posted by biafra4life

missed out on the fact that to build a truly strong, versatile city that will thrive for decades to come, you cant put all your eggs in one basket, especially not the entertainment basket. For starters, it's far easier for competing cities to get restaurants to set up shop...not so much to attract a fortune 500 corp giant. Then there's the vulnerability of retail/restaurants to the economy. Far more volatile than the big corps. Finally, having a bunch of retail/restaurants means a low paid workforce. Those workers are not going to be buying all those $700k homes. Like i said, just look at arlington for what happens when you have nothing but retail/sports/restaurants. Arllington used to be a nicer city back in the 80s and 90s too.

So your LIST PLEASE! LOL! That's what I thought, you must be a REPUBLICAN! LOL!

[ThomasCrown]

So long as Frisco continues to have a top notch school district, it will remain desirable for families to move there, and ultimately, it's the people who sustain a city, not businesses who pay less than their fair share of taxes to be there.

[aggie972]

Frisco borders Plano, so it is a great place to live for all the people working in offices at Legacy/Legacy West. Arlington is nowhere near Richardson, or any of the other strong business districts in the metroplex.

I also wouldn't say they're going all in on entertainment. The Southstone Yards development at the NorthEast corner of 121 and Spring Creek will have over 1 million sq. ft. of office space over four buildings. Slated to open in 2024. https://communityimpact.com/dallas-f...office-campus/

Frisco's also getting a new UNT satellite campus. Colleges are about the least volatile economic partners you can have.

[Leonard123]

Originally Posted by Fiber Guy

So your LIST PLEASE! LOL! That's what I thought, you must be a REPUBLICAN! LOL!

And YOU must be a Democrat!


I am so grateful I don't live close to this mess.


I don't even want to think what 380 is going to look like in the years to come.

[biafra4life]

Originally Posted by Fiber Guy

Missed What? LOL! The Star(Dallas Cowboys), E-Sports, Rough Riders minor league baseball, Texas Legends minor league basketball, Hall Office Park(5 Billion $ Office Project expansion), Fields Project(5 Billion $ expansion 11 times the size of Legacy West in Plano, TX.), new Omni Flagship Hotel, new planned Ritz-Carlton Hotel, Frisco Station(Ross Perot Jr. 1.5 Billion $ expansion) new Universal Studios Theme Park, Frisco PGA HQ, FC Dallas Soccer with stadium & Hall of Fame,(adjacent 12 fields for playing in kids leagues), new UT Southwestern Hospital(one of the BEST in the country), (2) new H.E.B. Grocery Stores, (2) new arts centers set to build, new University of North Texas campus, future proposed 1,000 acre park! JOBS! JOBS! JOBS Hwy 121 & Dallas North Tollway, JP Morgan, Toyota North American HQ, Liberty Mutual Insurance Regional, JC Penney HQ, State Farm Regional nearby Richardson, TX. Highway system North Hwy 380 & Outer North Loop, East Hwy 75, South George Bush Tollway & Hwy 121, East IH 35. Discussions to turn McKinney Airport into a Regional Airport. The young and highly educated workforces in both Frisco, TX. & Plano, TX. complement one another, providing a big draw for employers coming to NTX! All this has happened since 2004 when we moved to Frisco, TX. & later moved to Prosper, TX, in 2015. Less than 20 Years!

Average per home income in Frisco, TX. is 150K $ to 200K $, average age 35-39, 50% appx. have college degrees and Frisco ISD schools are some of the BEST in NTX & are highly sought after by families relocating to NTX! New homebuyers can view a plethora of different types of housing both in quality and sizes with nice architectural features. BTW, if you really THINK Van Alstyne, TX. and Gunter, TX. are Cities for the 21st Century, you need to take some courses in "City Planning" never gonna happen! You genuinely have no real imagination for what makes GREAT cities GREAT! LOL!

Now let's see YOUR LIST of what other cities have done & what Frisco has missed?

You laugh at the idea of Van Alstyne and Gunter blowing up in 30 years, but tell me, did anyone imagine that Prosper and especially Celina would have million-dollar subdivisions 30 years ago back in 1993? Let me help you with that one: NO. Yet here we are. I absolutely could see Gunter being the next "Frisco starter kit" in the next 2 or 3 decades by which time, most of Frisco housing stock would be considered old, just like Plano is out of style now. But Plano has all those corp HQs to keep it relevant. This is not hate on Frisco by any means. Supposedly they studied Plano as the model for how they would build up their city. They seem to have missed out that key ingredient of corporate high paying jobs. I guess time will tell.

[brock2010]

Originally Posted by biafra4life

You laugh at the idea of Van Alstyne and Gunter blowing up in 30 years, but tell me, did anyone imagine that Prosper and especially Celina would have million-dollar subdivisions 30 years ago back in 1993? Let me help you with that one: NO. Yet here we are. I absolutely could see Gunter being the next "Frisco starter kit" in the next 2 or 3 decades by which time, most of Frisco housing stock would be considered old, just like Plano is out of style now. But Plano has all those corp HQs to keep it relevant. This is not hate on Frisco by any means. Supposedly they studied Plano as the model for how they would build up their city. They seem to have missed out that key ingredient of corporate high paying jobs. I guess time will tell.

No lies told! Development has taken place up 75 to Sherman/Denison. So who knows what the area and beyond will look like in the coming years.

[brock2010]

Originally Posted by Leonard123

And YOU must be a Democrat!


I am so grateful I don't live close to this mess.


I don't even want to think what 380 is going to look like in the years to come.

Sounds dreadful. Hopefully they will have the 380 freeway or whatever expansion is planned completed.

[Leonard123]

Originally Posted by biafra4life

You laugh at the idea of Van Alstyne and Gunter blowing up in 30 years, but tell me, did anyone imagine that Prosper and especially Celina would have million-dollar subdivisions 30 years ago back in 1993? Let me help you with that one: NO. Yet here we are. I absolutely could see Gunter being the next "Frisco starter kit" in the next 2 or 3 decades by which time, most of Frisco housing stock would be considered old, just like Plano is out of style now. But Plano has all those corp HQs to keep it relevant. This is not hate on Frisco by any means. Supposedly they studied Plano as the model for how they would build up their city. They seem to have missed out that key ingredient of corporate high paying jobs. I guess time will tell.

Thank you for pointing out the obvious. Even the city of Allen has caught on to that, and they are attracting corporate development. While many good-paying jobs are remote, any job search will show the on-site jobs primarily in Plano, Dallas, and Irving.



Celina has made clear their goal of becoming the next Frisco. It has the land area to do so (and then some), although I personally think it will end up more like Mckinney. Development patterns have changed so much. Frisco only came to prominence because of Stonebriar Mall, and we're not going to see another mall.