09-09-2011, 11:57 AM
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Lexus actually makes a really good off road vehicle which will handle most types of terrain and conditions you would encounter.
09-09-2011, 12:20 PM
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I'm also looking for an older Subaru for my wife. The dealerships have no new cars due to the tsunami that hit Japan. Subaru isn't getting the 2012 Impreza till December/January when they usually have them in the summer. Also, the cash for clunkers took a lot of older cars off the market, so we're likely not going to see used cars until the new cars show up and people start trading them in.
09-09-2011, 12:22 PM
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Lexus actually makes a really good off road vehicle which will handle most types of terrain and conditions you would encounter.
Lexus also makes tons of models, so perhaps you could be more specific?
09-09-2011, 12:23 PM
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Lexus actually makes a really good off road vehicle which will handle most types of terrain and conditions you would encounter.
Well yeah, AWD is not the same thing as 4WD or 4x4. AWD is for paved roads, sometimes unplowed paved roads depending on the car manufacturer's AWD system. 4WD and 4x4 is for unpaved roads or just all terrain (or can be used on paved roads that haven't been plowed but highly not advised). The GX and LX have the full time 4WD that is the same as the Toyota 4Runner and Toyota Land Cruiser. The Lexus RX, on the other hand, is AWD and uses a tweaked version of the AWD from the Toyota Venza and Toyota RAV4 (tweaked because it has a locking option unlike the 2009+ RAV4 or Venza).
09-09-2011, 02:22 PM
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Sobe Itsavized
Well yeah, AWD is not the same thing as 4WD or 4x4. AWD is for paved roads, sometimes unplowed paved roads depending on the car manufacturer's AWD system. 4WD and 4x4 is for unpaved roads or just all terrain (or can be used on paved roads that haven't been plowed but highly not advised). The GX and LX have the full time 4WD that is the same as the Toyota 4Runner and Toyota Land Cruiser. The Lexus RX, on the other hand, is AWD and uses a tweaked version of the AWD from the Toyota Venza and Toyota RAV4 (tweaked because it has a locking option unlike the 2009+ RAV4 or Venza).
You're partly correct. AWD can be used on any road surface. Ever heard of the
World Rally Championship ? I drive off road (gravel or dirt roads) in my Subaru all the time, most likely faster and with more control than a 4WD truck ever will. Where a 4WD excels is (usually) in ground clearance, and slow speed obstructions in the path. An AWD will be sure footed on any road surface, be it tarmac, gravel, or snow.
AWD is similar to a full time 4WD though, except that a 4WD will have a 4HI and a 4LO, the 4HI for general driving and the 4LO for slow, rock crawling type of driving off road where more wheel torque at slower speeds is required. Both AWD and full time 4WD will drive perfectly fine on pavement or any other flat surface.
09-09-2011, 02:42 PM
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superorb
You're partly correct. AWD can be used on any road surface. Ever heard of the
World Rally Championship ? I drive off road (gravel or dirt roads) in my Subaru all the time, most likely faster and with more control than a 4WD truck ever will. Where a 4WD excels is (usually) in ground clearance, and slow speed obstructions in the path. An AWD will be sure footed on any road surface, be it tarmac, gravel, or snow.
AWD is similar to a full time 4WD though, except that a 4WD will have a 4HI and a 4LO, the 4HI for general driving and the 4LO for slow, rock crawling type of driving off road where more wheel torque at slower speeds is required. Both AWD and full time 4WD will drive perfectly fine on pavement or any other flat surface.
Actually, I'm completely correct. I didn't say AWD couldn't be used on any road surface or off road. Subaru has WRC heritage so of course I would know that if you saw my first post in this thread. I did say not all AWD systems are built the same too in the same post.
Driving perfectly fine in a straight line, sure. However turning left and right on dry pavement with AWD, 4WD, or 4x4 engaged differs between each system in relation to the automaker. AWD doesn't have as much of a torque bind when turning compared to full time 4WD or 4x4, hence "AWD is for paved roads" compared to full time 4WD or 4x4.
09-09-2011, 03:34 PM
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Actually, I'm completely correct. I didn't say AWD couldn't be used on any road surface or off road. Subaru has WRC heritage so of course I would know that if you saw my first post in this thread. I did say not all AWD systems are built the same too in the same post.
You said that, and I quote, "AWD is for paved roads, sometimes unplowed paved roads". No mention of non-paved roads there, so you can see my confusion. Full time AWD is fine for paved roads too.
You might want to read through this page. I know it's a Jeep site, but it may help.
What is the difference between full time four wheel drive, all wheel drive versus automaticall wheel drive (on-demand system)
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Full time 4WD, also called permanent 4WD , (not to be confused with: part time 4WD ) is a system that powers all four wheels at all times and it can be used full time on all surfaces including pavement. The additional feature of a differential incorporated into the transfer case makes it possible to use 4WD all the time.
09-09-2011, 04:43 PM
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AWD is not all-wheel-drive all the time. The car will adjust it depending on the feedback it gets from the tires. How well it works depends on how well it makes the decisions of which tires to send power to at any given time. not put them on dry pavement because making turns could cause damage.
09-09-2011, 05:02 PM
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No, I can see your assumption, not your confusion. If I don't mention it, it doesn't mean it's the other way. And I did just say "However turning left and right on dry pavement with AWD, 4WD, or 4x4 engaged
differs between each system in relation to the automaker ."
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80skeys
AWD is not all-wheel-drive all the time. The car will adjust it depending on the feedback it gets from the tires. How well it works depends on how well it makes the decisions of which tires to send power to at any given time.
I partially agree. Just like "how well [an AWD system] works depends on how well it makes the decisions" given how the manufacturer is applying it, some AWD systems are engaged all of the time like the modern day Subaru. On the other hand, Honda's AWD system is a "part-time 4WD system" (as Honda calls it I think) which is really AWD, not 4WD, and is not AWD all of the time because it is a FWD-based AWD system. Kind of like the "on-demand 4WD" on Toyota RAV4's.
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09-10-2011, 06:41 PM
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AWD is not all-wheel-drive all the time.
It is on my Subaru. 50/50 split normally, but it will vary that amount depending on wheel slip.
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Sobe Itsavized
No, I can see your assumption, not your confusion. If I don't mention it, it doesn't mean it's the other way. And I did just say "However turning left and right on dry pavement with AWD, 4WD, or 4x4 engaged differs between each system in relation to the automaker ."
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People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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