03-24-2019, 03:30 PM
Location: Nashville
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Well, this is my first Spring in Colorado and I have to say I am suffering a very strange phenomenon I have never suffered before at this time of year, Seasonal Affective Disorder. Yes, I am suffering what appears to be a variant of SAD, but not because of overcast weather. Although, I have to say I am surprised how cloudy Colorado seems to be in March, as we have not had a lot of sunny days. However, what is really getting to me is the lack of what appears to be "Spring".
I grew up in the Pacific Northwest and I would get a bit depressed during those long, cold and dreary winters. However, when February came around I would see the first flowers of Spring and it would give my heart some joy. As soon as I saw the daffodils coming out of the ground in late February and March I knew it was Spring time and despite the cloudy weather, all the beautiful flowers would bring so much joy to my heart. Indeed, I was going to be a botanist at one point of my life and I am always fascinated by flora of all the environments of where I have lived. When March came around in Oregon and Washington you would see beautiful flowers everywhere and all the trees would start blossoming flowers and it was so beautiful and uplifting. Indeed, Spring was my favorite time of year, because everywhere you go it was like a botanical garden with beautiful flowering trees and new plant growth everywhere. The grass in the Pacific NOrthwest in Spring looked especially fluorescent and green.
However, this is my first year living in a place where SPring just doesn't seem to even exist.
In fact, I almost forgot it is almost April as it looks like the dead of Winter to me or maybe the dead of Summer? All the grass is brown, the trees have not formed any buds at all and are still as barren as in the heart of Winter. I've driven all over Denver and there are no flowers or plant growth at all. All I see is dead grass , barren trees and heaps of black snow. I didn't realize how this would affect me at first, but it is really depressing me to the point where I almost feel like getting on a plane and going somewhere I can at least experience Spring for a week. But, I have not the money, time or resources to do that now.
I guess many people either grew up in Colorado and are not even familiar with what a real Spring is like, so this may not be as much of an issue for them. It is kind of like how some in the Pacific Northwest don't really know what a Sunny winter is like and you get use to that. Also, I know a majority of people who move to Colorado are from places like Southern California, so they also may not have such lush Springs like the rest of the country would have. HOwever, I remember when I lived in California, a long time ago when I was young, that even there was a Spring time. You would see flowers growing and there were gardens and such. But, I see none of that in Denver at all.
I guess I am wondering if any other people from places where there were beautiful Springs are suffering from similar Seasonal Affective Disorder like myself? Does anyone else here get depressed at the lack of greenery and the lack of what appears to be Spring time? For other flora and flower lovers how do you cope during the Spring time with the dry, brown and barren environment? I assume way up in the mountains during the Summer their may be some wildflowers; but that is a long way to go to see some flowers, when I was use to the most immaculate array of flower gardens just walking down the street in Portland or Seattle. It is truly depressing for me and I had no clue it would affect me this way as I was always so use to Spring coming and then spending my days on long walks or going to park just to enjoy the beauty. Here it is desolate and depressing
I am thinking I may try to get some flowers and plants for my house , but it just won't be the same. Is there any botanical gardens, greenhouses or any places where I could go and see some plant life? I am just utterly depressed. I never figured Denver's Springs were so barren like this.
Does Colorado Springs have more flowers, plant life or a more Spring-like atmosphere than Denver? I have yet to go to Colorado Springs but it is about an hour from my house. I would like to go somewhere where I can enjoy Spring and it's just making me sad.
Anyway.. I know most SAD kind of posts are in regards to sunshine. But, I would think Seasonal Affective Disorder can also be affected by lack of other seasons. But, I almost yearn more to see plant life than sunshine at this point. Growing up in thick, green rain forest like environment I suddenly realize my system is shocked by the lack of the Spring season in Colorado.
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03-24-2019, 04:02 PM
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I absolutely understand how you feel. I moved here from the Bay area many years ago and still get depressed by the long, ugly winters that turn everything so brown. I long for April when the first Spring flowers will appear in the stores for planting. I was never a big fan of tulips or pansies but learned to love the sight of them after moving here. I've gotten so that I can spot a budding tree before anyone else and my heart leaps when I see the first signs of green grass reappearing. I have no great words of wisdom except to tell you that before I retired, I tried to go out to the Bay area in late March or early April to order to get my fix of color from nature. Since retirement and inability to afford those trips, I've had to satisfy myself with planting seeds in styrofoam cups, then moving the new plants to flower pots that I can move in and out of doors depending on the weather. I also have learned to pay attention to which flowers I'm planting so that I can have flowers all the way through the late Fall - like Morning Glory and Four o'clock flowers which bloom in late summer and all through the Fall.
But yeah, I've never gotten over the loss of the beauty of the West Coast and if the real estate wasn't so outrageous out there, I would have moved back just to be able to have fruit that tastes like fruit, buy the flats of strawberries that taste like candy, get peppers and onions and oranges and berries and all those things from the wonderful roadside stands that are still everywhere. I miss the flowers that grow down the center of the freeways. I miss the tall amazing palm trees. Not to mention the ocean, the sound of the waves, the smell of the salt & ocean in the air, the lack of dry skin, etc. I miss, I miss, I miss. . .
Why did you move here from the West coast?
In the meantime, here's a pretty great nursery you can check out:
https://www.tagawagardens.com/spring...a-gardens.html
03-24-2019, 04:21 PM
Location: Just south of Denver since 1989
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April snow showers bring May flowers.
We have spring, it just starts in May.
03-24-2019, 04:27 PM
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At higher altitudes, like much of Colorado, harsh environmental conditions generally prevail, and a treeless alpine vegetation exists in many places. Lack of water also leads to less greenery and lushness. The term Alpine Desert applies to parts of the state.
Take some time off work and visit the
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03-24-2019, 04:53 PM
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Portland daffodil show: April 6 & 7. Portland Rose Festival: June. A few weeks away before most even start to open. Guide to Columbia George wildflowers columbiarivergorge.info/flowers.html
A few in March. Most April or later. Skagit Valley tulips? Check back in April. Last year late April was best. As of 2 days ago they looked like this: tulipfestival.org/bloom Further south in Woodburn Oregon, field report from yesterday: "we have very little color in the field due to cold weather last month". Pictures show very few open. Washington Park Arboretum: the rhododendron and azaleas "start blooming in late April and continue into June". Cherry blossoms on UWash campus? Usually best in April. Olympia Garden Club's first outdoor event of season: April 11.
Portland Oregon: nice today. Rain forecast for 14 of next 16 days. Rain forecast for 22 days in May. Not necessarily that bad if you focus on the good.
StealthRabbit, what flowers do you have right now at your Oregon home?
Any parks in Denver area with flowers yet? How about 3 weeks from now? More flowers lots of places in 3-5 weeks. I still have moved snow piles 8 feet tall in places. But I'll probably see some flowers in 5-6 weeks.
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03-24-2019, 04:56 PM
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Spring in coastal PNW can be smelled, seen, and heard starting in February. We noticed how early it seemed after living in CO for so long. It is green most of the year in the PNW, even all of it if summer doesn’t throw an unusually long dry spell (May through late 2015, for example).
The climate is just different, and that means the vegetation is different, too. No surprise there.
You might not have SAD so much as The Big D—depression. You started complaining about Denver and CO very soon after moving there.
Mike’s suggestion to get a few doses of cultivated, colorful flora at indoor botanical gardens is good. You obviously aren’t going to settle in with a long-term natural adjustment (for reasons that have nothing to do with climate), so enjoy what bits you can while researching where to move next.
The Butterfly Pavilion in or near Westminster is another cheery place.
P.S.
I think I posted this somewhere else: Front Range springs and falls feel like they are getting shorter and shorter as years go by. Feels like CO in general often jumps from winter to summer and back. In contrast, the PNW felt like mostly spring, fall, and winter. One transplant to there told me he considered the whole year one long autumn. (I disagree.)
03-24-2019, 05:25 PM
Location: Prescott Valley, AZ
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Typically, around late March is when grass starts to change over to green from the dead brown during the winter. If you have to, check out the Denver Botanical Gardens like what the other posters mentioned. Here in central AZ, the vegetation already turned green a couple weeks ago. It will come your way, just be patient.
03-24-2019, 05:48 PM
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KGW in Portland does show some color but says things are a couple weeks behind normal.
The planted city flowers come first. In an article on "10 beautiful wildflower hikes" at oregonlive.com, 3 start in March into April & May. 7 don't start til April or May.
If you like an early or long spring, Colorado is not the place. But it will have great flowers in many places May to July or later.
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03-24-2019, 05:50 PM
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Coming here from southern New Mexico, I do miss having flowers already blooming this time of year.
As others have noted, the Denver Botanical Gardens and garden centers do help in that regard.
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Most Common Occupations - Fire fighting and prevention, and other protective service workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Law enforcement workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Food preparation and serving related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Building and grounds cleaning and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Personal care and service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and office occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)