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Old 10-21-2011, 08:40 PM
 
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You can eat 3500 cal from lean meat and veggies and still gain weight.
You can eat one meal a day, consisting of a large pizza(Kashi brand Mushroom Trio) containing 1200 cal and lose weight?

Is this right?or wrong? I know conventional wisdom is calories in equals calories out,but eating 3500 calries full of veggies and fruits would have me camping in the bathroom,therefore crapping most of it out vs absorbing every single calorie of the pizza.
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Old 10-21-2011, 08:50 PM
 
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That is incorrect.

If you eat too much grass fed meat, too many fruits, too many nuts, and don't excercise off the excess, then you will gain weight.

Fat is an accumulation of calories. If you eat more than you burn off, you gain.
not all calories are created equal.

Eating 2000 kcal of grass fed beef and veggies on a daily basis will not make you fat but eating 2000 kcals of junk food will.

Your body utilizes all the nutrients in healthy foods and excretes any excess.

The body doesn't know how to metabolize junk and it does not trigger proper hormonal responses (leptin). Thats why obese people have numerous physiological issues.

Obesity is a symptom of poison in the body. A high kcal intake is not bad or fattening until those calories become the wrong kind of calories.

I'm not speaking from theory. This is years of watching my clients go from fat to muscular in months.

The only rule they have to follow...Never let yourself stay hungry (especially during bed time).
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Old 10-21-2011, 08:59 PM
 
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not all calories are created equal.

Eating 2000 kcal of grass fed beef and veggies on a daily basis will not make you fat but eating 2000 kcals of junk food will.

Your body utilizes all the nutrients in healthy foods and excretes any excess.

The body doesn't know how to metabolize junk and it does not trigger proper hormonal responses (leptin). Thats why obese people have numerous physiological issues.

Obesity is a symptom of poison in the body. A high kcal intake is not bad or fattening until those calories become the wrong kind of calories.

I'm not speaking from theory. This is years of watching my clients go from fat to muscular in months.

The only rule they have to follow...Never let yourself stay hungry (especially during bed time).
So you advocate organic food only?
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Old 10-21-2011, 09:02 PM
 
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not all calories are created equal.

Eating 2000 kcal of grass fed beef and veggies on a daily basis will not make you fat but eating 2000 kcals of junk food will.

Your body utilizes all the nutrients in healthy foods and excretes any excess.

The body doesn't know how to metabolize junk and it does not trigger proper hormonal responses (leptin). Thats why obese people have numerous physiological issues.

Obesity is a symptom of poison in the body. A high kcal intake is not bad or fattening until those calories become the wrong kind of calories.

I'm not speaking from theory. This is years of watching my clients go from fat to muscular in months.

The only rule they have to follow...Never let yourself stay hungry (especially during bed time).
Now up the healthy diet to 4000 calories and see if the average non-athlete can keep the weight off.
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Old 10-21-2011, 09:10 PM
 
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Now if it turns out he can't lose the weight due to the hyperglycemia to hyperinsulemia/hypoglycemia cycle he's created, THAT would be interesting. It would also tell us a lot.
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Old 10-21-2011, 09:16 PM
 
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Now if it turns out he can't lose the weight due to the hyperglycemia to hyperinsulemia/hypoglycemia cycle he's created, THAT would be interesting. It would also tell us a lot.
And along those lines, it's interesting that it took Mike Spurlock 14 months to rid himself of less than 25 lbs. he gained eating fast food over a period of only 30 days...and that supposedly, he had to adopt veganism to do it (an extreme for many).

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As a result, the then-32-year-old Spurlock gained 24½ lbs. (11.1 kg), a 13% body mass increase, a cholesterol level of 230, and experienced mood swings, sexual dysfunction, and fat accumulation in his liver. It took Spurlock fourteen months to lose the weight gained from his experiment using a vegan diet supervised by his future wife, who is a chef specialized in vegan dishes and gourmet.
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Old 10-22-2011, 08:44 AM
 
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And along those lines, it's interesting that it took Mike Spurlock 14 months to rid himself of less than 25 lbs. he gained eating fast food over a period of only 30 days...and that supposedly, he had to adopt veganism to do it (an extreme for many).

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Your wiki quote doesn't say that the guy -had- to adopt a vegan diet. It says he -did- adopt a vegan diet, that was provided to him by his fiance who is a chef, not a dietician.

That tells me, that the guy probably -could- have lost weight faster if he wanted to, but chose instead to let his fiance do his cooking for him.
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Old 10-22-2011, 09:33 AM
 
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So you advocate organic food only?
As much as possible. I understand organic is expensive but people should write it off as preventive health insurance.

Most processed and NON organic foods contain poisons and pesticides that accumulate in your system and harm your health. Toxins may effect people earlier or later on in life depending on lifestyle.

If you are unable to buy organic
use this list to help you choose the safest fruits and veggies.

The List | EWG's Shopper's Guide to Pesticides | Environmental Working Group | EWG.org

Acceptable Non-Organic
  • kiwi
  • pineapple
  • Onions
Organic Recommended
  • Spinach
  • Apples
  • Blueberries
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Old 10-22-2011, 12:31 PM
 
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Your wiki quote doesn't say that the guy -had- to adopt a vegan diet. It says he -did- adopt a vegan diet, that was provided to him by his fiance who is a chef, not a dietician.

That tells me, that the guy probably -could- have lost weight faster if he wanted to, but chose instead to let his fiance do his cooking for him.
Really? How does it tell you that?

How would it not be an equal possibility, in that case, that it would have taken him longer if doing things a different way?

The one fact we know is that it took him more than a year to lose just 25 lbs., with severe food restrictions and modification. That's all we know. Fourteen months is a long time. We know that too.
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Old 10-22-2011, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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not all calories are created equal.
That's true, in the sense that your body will burn more calories digesting protein than it will digesting fats and carbs, but you're still talking only about a 15% difference at most. If you're creating a calorie surplus, you WILL gain weight, no matter what macro-nutrient those calories come from. That's a simple fact.
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