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Old 10-24-2015, 07:47 AM
 
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I am of the mindset that all diets "work" when they force you to re-evaluate your food choices and maintain a caloric deficit. With paleo, I've noticed a lack of consistency on which foods are or aren't paleo, and some of the theories around the allowable foods is sketchy. Another pitfall I've noticed is that some sources completely disregard fat and calories; while the *might* work for some people, for others it is a weight-loss disaster waiting to happen. There are also a lot of paleo treats that can trip you up if you're not careful: a short-stack of almond flour pancakes can blow your diet just as well as a short-stack of conventional pancakes.

In short, there is nothing inherently superior about paleo; it works as well any other diet, depending on the dieter. Do you like the food choices? Does it fit your budget, and do you have time for the prep work that may be involved? Is it something you can stick with (remember: losing the weight is only Step 1)?
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Old 10-24-2015, 02:43 PM
 
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I am of the mindset that all diets "work" when they force you to re-evaluate your food choices and maintain a caloric deficit. With paleo, I've noticed a lack of consistency on which foods are or aren't paleo, and some of the theories around the allowable foods is sketchy. Another pitfall I've noticed is that some sources completely disregard fat and calories; while the *might* work for some people, for others it is a weight-loss disaster waiting to happen. There are also a lot of paleo treats that can trip you up if you're not careful: a short-stack of almond flour pancakes can blow your diet just as well as a short-stack of conventional pancakes.

In short, there is nothing inherently superior about paleo; it works as well any other diet, depending on the dieter. Do you like the food choices? Does it fit your budget, and do you have time for the prep work that may be involved? Is it something you can stick with (remember: losing the weight is only Step 1)?
It does appear to be time consuming. I have since decided to stick to my low carb diet which has been working out well. I follow the girl on IG and she seems to be eating a lot of "paleo treats" such as brownies, pancakes and such.
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Old 10-28-2015, 08:59 PM
 
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Paleo is bullcrap.

What Paleo Often Is:
  • Low Carb Diet
  • Avoiding unrefined grains to instead eat processed or chemically cured meat
  • Fad food without realizing what processes and products were actually available back in Paleolithic period.

Scientists confirm that the Paleo diet is nonsense - Quartz
http://drclydewilson.typepad.com/drc...nutrients.html
http://www.muditainstitute.com/artic...aleodiets.html


What Paleo Diet Should Be
  • No fried foods. The typical methods of cooking things were fire-roasting and smoking, not coating in batter and giving the golden treatment.
  • Unrefined grains (if it's bread made from flour, it doesn't matter if it is nut flour or what, probably not, maybe sprouted grain breads, probably whole cereal grains NO flour and NO breads), beans, seeds, nuts, roots, berries, fish, meat that is not "grass-fed" either (we may have had farming in paleo period, but feeding animals was not something done for animals until recently, they ummmm ate their own food) but grass-eating beef.
  • No beer, as we know it. Naturally occurring (as in, just let it do its own thing) wine or apple cider.
  • Probably no milk or cheese. There was probably eggs (I've gathered eggs before, it is definitely something cavepeople can do), but white monocolor factory-farmed eggs? Not on your life. They would have been grey, speckled, green, and natural colors.
  • If you are not capable of gathering it yourself with crude tools, it probably isn't on the diet.

Paleo should not just be about foods that were around in ancient times, but methods that were around. No potatoes? Wtf? They can be dug up no problem, even wild. No legumes? Garbage (I don't care about pseudoscientific health studies, legumes are high in protein and fiber, they were nutrient inhibitors, but the ancients didn't know this). Wild caught or killed, not farmed.

Grains can be and were gathered. So were potatoes. So were wild greens or berries. So were fish. Beef probably was not in the diet, because it tended to involve domesticating (before that, we would largely be talking buffalo) so you would likely eat deer. So the actual diet?

Mostly pescovegetarian. With no bread or dough. No milk or cheese. And no beer. I can't do it (love milk too much), and most people can't do it because it would mean giving up grain alcohol.

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Old 10-28-2015, 09:39 PM
 
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https://www.facebook.com/CasualOnHul...95698/?fref=nf

Paleo is bullcrap.

What Paleo Often Is:
  • Low Carb Diet
  • Avoiding unrefined grains to instead eat processed or chemically cured meat
  • Fad food without realizing what processes and products were actually available back in Paleolithic period.

Scientists confirm that the Paleo diet is nonsense - Quartz

What Paleo Diet Should Be
  • No fried foods. The typical methods of cooking things were fire-roasting and smoking, not coating in batter and giving the golden treatment.
  • Unrefined grains (if it's bread made from flour, it doesn't matter if it is nut flour or what, probably not, maybe sprouted grain breads, probably whole cereal grains NO flour and NO breads), beans, seeds, nuts, roots, berries, fish, meat that is not "grass-fed" either (we may have had farming in paleo period, but feeding animals was not something done for animals until recently, they ummmm ate their own food) but grass-eating beef.
  • No beer, as we know it. Naturally occurring (as in, just let it do its own thing) wine or apple cider.
  • Probably no milk or cheese. There was probably eggs (I've gathered eggs before, it is definitely something cavepeople can do), but white monocolor factory-farmed eggs? Not on your life. They would have been grey, speckled, green, and natural colors.
  • If you are not capable of gathering it yourself with crude tools, it probably isn't on the diet.

Paleo should not just be about foods that were around in ancient times, but methods that were around. Scotch eggs? Not a chance. Hamburger? Sorry. Steak? Yes. Potato cakes? Yes, if they're cooked on a stone, no oil. If they're mashed by pounding not in a food processor. Fries? Don't think so. No legumes? Garbage (I don't care about pseudoscientific health studies, legumes are high in protein and fiber, they were nutrient inhibitors, but the ancients didn't know this). Wild caught or killed, not farmed.

Personally, I love cheese too much to go Paleo. And I think the founder of this diet is a stupid hypocrite, giving arbitrary restrictions that are based on hack science.
I don't know who the founder was but my doctor put me on what seems to be a modified paleo diet. I do have more energy but the diet is high in fats. I have trouble digesting so much fat. I haven't gained any weight on this diet though and weight loss is not my reason for eating this way.

I'm supposed to eat protein throughout the day. I'm supposed to eat free range eggs, meat (beef if it is grass fed, not fed with pesticide contaminated grain), fish, home made bone broth (bones cooked with celery and carrots), lots of beans, leafy vegetables--all kinds of vegetables, water, ginger tea, rice and other whole grains (not processed grains like flour or pasta). I'm supposed to drink milk and eat cheese and yogurt but I am allergic to dairy products, baked potatoes, sweet potatoes, etc. I'm supposed to eat a lot of nuts. I'm supposed to use olive oil or coconut oil.

I wonder how similar it is to what paleolithic people ate. Anyway, it seems to be a fairly healthy diet with almost no sugar and definitely no junk food. There are recipes for candy, made from nuts, chocolate, honey or maple syrup. Stevia, a natural sweetener, is also used. I don't feel deprived on this diet and I don't think it's that weird. For me, it's just too high in fats to be easily digestible.

It certainly is a more normal and natural diet than that of the junk food eaters, soda drinkers, processed meat eaters, potato chip and fries eaters, and the anything that is processed and comes out of a can eaters.
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Old 10-28-2015, 09:42 PM
 
Location: near bears but at least no snakes
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https://www.facebook.com/CasualOnHul...95698/?fref=nf

Paleo is bullcrap.

What Paleo Often Is:
  • Low Carb Diet
  • Avoiding unrefined grains to instead eat processed or chemically cured meat
  • Fad food without realizing what processes and products were actually available back in Paleolithic period.

Scientists confirm that the Paleo diet is nonsense - Quartz

What Paleo Diet Should Be
  • No fried foods. The typical methods of cooking things were fire-roasting and smoking, not coating in batter and giving the golden treatment.
  • Unrefined grains (if it's bread made from flour, it doesn't matter if it is nut flour or what, probably not, maybe sprouted grain breads, probably whole cereal grains NO flour and NO breads), beans, seeds, nuts, roots, berries, fish, meat that is not "grass-fed" either (we may have had farming in paleo period, but feeding animals was not something done for animals until recently, they ummmm ate their own food) but grass-eating beef.
  • No beer, as we know it. Naturally occurring (as in, just let it do its own thing) wine or apple cider.
  • Probably no milk or cheese. There was probably eggs (I've gathered eggs before, it is definitely something cavepeople can do), but white monocolor factory-farmed eggs? Not on your life. They would have been grey, speckled, green, and natural colors.
  • If you are not capable of gathering it yourself with crude tools, it probably isn't on the diet.

Paleo should not just be about foods that were around in ancient times, but methods that were around. Scotch eggs? Not a chance. Hamburger? Sorry. Steak? Yes. Potato cakes? Yes, if they're cooked on a stone, no oil. If they're mashed by pounding not in a food processor. Fries? Don't think so. No legumes? Garbage (I don't care about pseudoscientific health studies, legumes are high in protein and fiber, they were nutrient inhibitors, but the ancients didn't know this). Wild caught or killed, not farmed.

Personally, I love cheese too much to go Paleo. And I think the founder of this diet is a stupid hypocrite, giving arbitrary restrictions that are based on hack science.
I don't know who the founder was but my doctor put me on what seems to be a modified paleo diet. I do have more energy but the diet is high in fats. I have trouble digesting so much fat. I haven't gained any weight on this diet though and weight loss is not my reason for eating this way.

I'm supposed to eat protein throughout the day. I'm supposed to eat free range eggs, meat (beef if it is grass fed, not fed with pesticide contaminated grain), fish, home made bone broth (bones cooked with celery and carrots), lots of beans, leafy vegetables--all kinds of vegetables, water, ginger tea, rice and other whole grains (not processed grains like flour or pasta). I'm supposed to drink milk and eat cheese and yogurt (but I am allergic to dairy products), baked potatoes, sweet potatoes, etc. I'm supposed to eat a lot of nuts. I'm supposed to use olive oil or coconut oil.

I wonder how similar it is to what paleolithic people ate. Anyway, it seems to be a fairly healthy diet with almost no sugar and definitely no junk food. There are recipes for candy, made from nuts, chocolate, honey or maple syrup. Stevia, a natural sweetener, is also used. I don't feel deprived on this diet and I don't think it's that weird. For me, it's just too high in fats to be easily digestible.

It certainly is a more normal and natural diet than that of the junk food eaters, soda drinkers, processed meat eaters, potato chip and fries eaters, and the anything that is processed and comes out of a can eaters.

Paleo Diet Recipes | Paleo Leap
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Old 10-30-2015, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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At least HALF of that weight she lost would be water weight. A lot of people lose a lot of water weight when they first go low-carb, paleo, Atkins, etc.
Pssst ... Anyone engaging on a weight-loss food plan will lose water weight first, regardless of what they're eating.
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Old 10-30-2015, 07:17 PM
 
Location: Southwestern, USA, now.
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I'm supposed to eat protein throughout the day.
I'm supposed to eat free range eggs, meat (beef if it is grass fed, not fed with
pesticide contaminated grain), fish, home made bone broth (bones cooked with celery and carrots), lots of beans, leafy vegetables--all kinds of vegetables, water, ginger tea, rice and other whole grains (not processed grains like flour or pasta).
I'm supposed to drink milk and eat cheese and yogurt but I am allergic to dairy products, baked potatoes, sweet potatoes, etc. I'm supposed to eat a lot of nuts.
I'm supposed to use olive oil or coconut oil.

.
Sounds heavenly.
And sounds like what I do...except I only put an ounce of org milk in my tea or org coffee.
Just quit dairy on my own.
I don't do beans much unless I will be around no one that evening.
You inspired me to have some ginger tea right NOW!

Otherwise, this is how I eat...and feel Great, too!
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Old 11-05-2015, 04:56 AM
 
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I like The Pegan Diet.
A combination of Paleo and Vegan.
Doesn't sound possible since Vegans wont eat meat and Paleos wont eat grains.
The Pegan diet focuses primarily on fruits and vegetables - filling 75 percent of your diet with plants and rounding out the other 25 percent with meat.
A better description is probably a very clean modified Paleo diet.
The Pegan diet is a very healthy way to eat and eliminates a lot of problem foods.

Fact is - a lot of people have problems with Dairy products.
I drink Coconut Milk - and it's fortified with B12 and Calcium.

I am of the belief that grains are essentially bad for us.
Even the healthiest Whole Grains break down into sugar when digested.
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Old 11-05-2015, 01:48 PM
 
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I am of the belief that grains are essentially bad for us.
Even the healthiest Whole Grains break down into sugar when digested.
Guess what? So do fruits and vegetables.
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Old 11-06-2015, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Wine Country
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I like The Pegan Diet.
A combination of Paleo and Vegan.
Doesn't sound possible since Vegans wont eat meat and Paleos wont eat grains.
The Pegan diet focuses primarily on fruits and vegetables - filling 75 percent of your diet with plants and rounding out the other 25 percent with meat.
A better description is probably a very clean modified Paleo diet.
The Pegan diet is a very healthy way to eat and eliminates a lot of problem foods.

Fact is - a lot of people have problems with Dairy products.
I drink Coconut Milk - and it's fortified with B12 and Calcium.

I am of the belief that grains are essentially bad for us.
Even the healthiest Whole Grains break down into sugar when digested.
What are your protein sources? Fruit has a ton of sugar. Fact - a lot of people do not have issues with dairy or grains and it is really up to the individual to find out what works best for them.
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