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Old 03-07-2019, 10:00 AM
 
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One of my violin students is a physician, and I asked him about Intermittent Fasting. This is not his specialization so naturally he would repeat what (little) he was taught regarding nutrition in med school. I wanted to run it by everyone.

He mentioned metabolism. If you don't eat, the body slows down. And I have noticed that on the rare occasions when I eat a bit at lunch, I do seem to lose more. What is this about?
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Old 03-07-2019, 10:59 AM
 
Location: McAllen, TX
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One of my violin students is a physician, and I asked him about Intermittent Fasting. This is not his specialization so naturally he would repeat what (little) he was taught regarding nutrition in med school. I wanted to run it by everyone.

He mentioned metabolism. If you don't eat, the body slows down. And I have noticed that on the rare occasions when I eat a bit at lunch, I do seem to lose more. What is this about?
This is false. When you restrict calories and eat regularly metabolism slows down, that is proven as with many of the biggest loser contestants. I was watching a video the other day where they interviewing one of the biggest loser contestants. He stated that while he was on the program, they would work out up to 40 hours a week, ouch. Once he lost the weight, went home and went back to his regular life, he gained a lot of the weight right back with a vengeance, not being able to sustain the same level of exercise and he was still eating right. This is documented not just with this one guy. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22535969

When you DON'T eat at all, metabolism actually speeds up for up to 4 days. This mechanism is innate in all humans. When ancient man (cavemen) did not have anything to eat for an extended period, he needed the capability to find food. Yet again, it is a hormone that is responsible for this, serum norepinephrine. I had never even heard of this. Of course, IF is not extended fasting, but the process starts after a certain number of hours, not days.

Here is the study for the doubters.
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/71/6/1511/4729485

Generally speaking, physicians have little to no training in nutrition.

Do you not feel at least a bit energized after fasting? I know I do.

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Old 03-07-2019, 11:30 AM
 
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This is false. When you restrict calories and eat regularly metabolism slows down, that is proven as with many of the biggest loser contestants. I was watching a video the other day where they interviewing one of the biggest loser contestants. He stated that while he was on the program, they would work out up to 40 hours a week, ouch. Once he lost the weight, went home and went back to his regular life, he gained a lot of the weight right back with a vengeance, not being able to sustain the same level of exercise and he was still eating right. This is documented not just with this one guy. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22535969

When you DON'T eat at all, metabolism actually speeds up for up to 4 days. This mechanism is innate in all humans. When ancient man (cavemen) did not have anything to eat for an extended period, he needed the capability to find food. Yet again, it is a hormone that is responsible for this, serum norepinephrine. I had never even heard of this. Of course, IF is not extended fasting, but the process starts after a certain number of hours, not days.

Here is the study for the doubters.
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/71/6/1511/4729485

Generally speaking, physicians have little to no training in nutrition.

Do you not feel at least a bit energized after fasting? I know I do.
I feel a great deal, energized by IF. See:

https://www.city-data.com/forum/diet-...s-if-omad.html

When I wrote:

>> naturally he would repeat what (little) he was taught regarding nutrition in med school

It was a reference to just that.
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Old 03-07-2019, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Podunk, IA
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So, KZ... how much more weight are we talking?
All I know is I lose weight like crazy every time I go on a fast that's longer than 24 hrs.
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Old 03-07-2019, 04:49 PM
 
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I lose weight like crazy every time I go on a fast that's longer than 24 hrs.
I fast 23 hours a day, but sometimes if I eat a small amount at lunch time, I seem to lose more in the next 48 hours. I wonder if this is related to a slowed metabolism.

Just a pound and some ounces, not a lot.

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Old 03-08-2019, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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The problem is if you're losing weight you're doing so by restricting calories. What effect the same CR has when eating three times a day versus OMAD is really just speculative since there's just not much data on that. E.g., if you do 5/2 IF which results in caloric restriction does the metabolic effect effectively reset every time you eat? Maybe, but that's speculative. There's more studies on LC and not LC. LC results in initial weight loss but over the course of a year, there's no statistical difference between LC and non-LC diet. There's just not the same data set for IF.
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