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Old 02-28-2020, 12:15 PM
 
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They don't stimulate my appetite either. I think the big disconnect is that people are confusing junk foods with healthy foods. There is nothing wrong with wheat. If you highly processes it and add fats and sugar then as a whole that food is not healthy and may stimulate hunger. Obviously those foods should be avoided or eaten in moderation.

Blanketing all 'carbs' as the enemy is another common mistake. There is no need to eliminate any food group, even sugar, GASP!, as long as moderation and common sense are applied.
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Old 02-28-2020, 12:18 PM
 
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Modern wheat is an appetite stimulant, prior to the mid 1980's obesity was quite rare. Frozen food and processed food is mostly garbage with hundreds of ingredients and preservatives. Soybean oil is ubiquitous in many frozen foods as well, avoid like the plague.
I freeze a lot of my own organically grown vegetables straight from the garden only one ingredient no additives perfectly safe and full of nutrients.
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Old 02-28-2020, 12:18 PM
 
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Over eating added to playing on cellphones, Game boys, and Social media = obesity.
LOL people still play on Game Boys? Making me feel old.
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Old 02-28-2020, 12:19 PM
 
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Agreed
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Old 02-28-2020, 12:43 PM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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Hehe I just posted this, can’t wait for the lets blame carbs and sugar crew to come in here.

Maybe some facts are in order:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatty_...acid_synthesis


Pay particular attention to the section on regulation of acyl-CoA carboxylase, the rate limiting reaction in fat synthesis-- activated by excess citrate (derived from glucose under the influence of insulin) and inhibited by fatty acids. …


....Conclusion-- eating glucose makes more fat, while eating fat makes you stop making fat.


It's proven in the test tube and borne out in clinical observations.
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Old 02-28-2020, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Wine Country
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Maybe some facts are in order:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatty_...acid_synthesis


Pay particular attention to the section on regulation of acyl-CoA carboxylase, the rate limiting reaction in fat synthesis-- activated by excess citrate (derived from glucose under the influence of insulin) and inhibited by fatty acids. …


....Conclusion-- eating glucose makes more fat, while eating fat makes you stop making fat.


It's proven in the test tube and borne out in clinical observations.
But it doesn't mean anything if people cannot follow the diet.
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Old 02-28-2020, 01:08 PM
 
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Maybe some facts are in order:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatty_...acid_synthesis


Pay particular attention to the section on regulation of acyl-CoA carboxylase, the rate limiting reaction in fat synthesis-- activated by excess citrate (derived from glucose under the influence of insulin) and inhibited by fatty acids. …


....Conclusion-- eating glucose makes more fat, while eating fat makes you stop making fat.


It's proven in the test tube and borne out in clinical observations.
Not quite facts and proven incorrect ;

meta-analysis of 32 controlled feeding studies


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5568065/

These results are in the opposite direction to the predictions of the carbohydrate-insulin model, but the effect sizes are so small as to be physiologically meaningless. In other words, for all practical purposes “a calorie is a calorie” when it comes to body fat and energy expenditure differences between controlled isocaloric diets varying in the ratio of carbohydrate to fat.
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Old 02-28-2020, 01:51 PM
 
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Wherever I go, people are stuffing their fat faces *at work*. The Ace Hardware: cashiers eating candy and popcorn, doctors office: big spread of donuts and pastries in the reception area (serious yuck), bank: tellers munching on Girl Scout cookies, etc., etc.

Many are fat because they never stop eating.
You do realize that food manufacturers unapologetically add crap to their food for the sole purpose of making it addictive, don't you? They don't even lie about it. It's no different than tobacco companies adding nicotine to cigarettes. So, yes, people are eating more. In part, because they are literally addicted to is. Also, because a lot of what is on supermarket shelves is empty calories, which just makes people hungrier. 80% of all the food in supermarkets have added sugar. Not naturally occurring sugar like in milk and fruit, but added sugar. Even Foot Loops boxes tout "Good Source of Fiber" and "Made with 100% Whole Grain" across their labels. And that's what the gov't tells us we need! Because the gov't lines their pockets with money from the food manufacturers, just like they do Big Pharma. Why do you think they haven't changed the food pyramid?

There is also another component. Poverty is absolutely linked to obesity. A lot of that has to do with access to free food and cost. When you have to take a 2 hour public transportation ride just to get to the grocery store, it makes going there frequently impossible. So people on limited incomes tend to buy cheap, shelf-stable food, which tends to be processed crap. And the the addiction cycle starts (see above). The whole system needs to change, and it needs to start from the top - our gov't.
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Old 02-28-2020, 03:10 PM
 
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You do realize that food manufacturers unapologetically add crap to their food for the sole purpose of making it addictive, don't you? They don't even lie about it. It's no different than tobacco companies adding nicotine to cigarettes. So, yes, people are eating more. In part, because they are literally addicted to is. Also, because a lot of what is on supermarket shelves is empty calories, which just makes people hungrier. 80% of all the food in supermarkets have added sugar. Not naturally occurring sugar like in milk and fruit, but added sugar. Even Foot Loops boxes tout "Good Source of Fiber" and "Made with 100% Whole Grain" across their labels. And that's what the gov't tells us we need! Because the gov't lines their pockets with money from the food manufacturers, just like they do Big Pharma. Why do you think they haven't changed the food pyramid?

There is also another component. Poverty is absolutely linked to obesity. A lot of that has to do with access to free food and cost. When you have to take a 2 hour public transportation ride just to get to the grocery store, it makes going there frequently impossible. So people on limited incomes tend to buy cheap, shelf-stable food, which tends to be processed crap. And the the addiction cycle starts (see above). The whole system needs to change, and it needs to start from the top - our gov't.
It has been proven multiple times that sugar is not addictive. Don’t confuse hyper palatable foods with sugar. But I will agree with you on the second point that easy access to highly processed foods has accelerated obesity especially among the poor.
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Old 02-28-2020, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Indiana Uplands
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Breads, cereals, and pastas are appetite stimulants? Just downed 8 oz of pasta and I have not desire to eat anything else. So much for it being a stimulant
Most highly processed wheat containing products like pizza, pizza rolls, calzones, hot pockets, etc are all appetite stimulating foods that causes a spike in glycemic index without the satiating effect of a high protein and lower carbohydrate approach. Obesity is also strongly correlated with lower income levels, and the USDA needs to modify the food plate, it is complete nonsense and a lie for the majority of the populace that don’t work very physically demanding jobs with a high caloric expenditure every day.
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