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Professor John Speakman, who led the study, said: “The result of this enormous study was unequivocal – the only thing that made the mice get fat was eating more fat in their diets. https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...929?via%3Dihub
NONE OF THESE IS A LONG TERM IMPARTIAL STUDY ON HUMANS! And none of these discriminate between cheap crap fat and healthy natural fats. If you cant be bothered with details, you will never understand. I know you are debating a point and so want to ignore details. Your problem.
Those healthy natural fats will fill you up, the carbs wont. Simple as that. And I am sure it does vary individual to individual. As I have pointed out in arguments in past, my body doesnt give the stop eating signal until uncomfortably full on WHOLE GRAIN based diet. It gives the full signal on remarkably small amount of low carb veggie and natural fats diet.
Again, eat a large cookie, do you want another? Now down a shot glass of olive oil, do you want another?
Most fats in modern diet are NOT olive oil put on a salad, they are mixed with carbs. This is cheating, a greasy donut is still HIGH CARB.
When US pig farmers tried to use coconut oil to fatten up their livestock, they were met with horrifying results. Rather than fatten up the animals, the coconut oil had in fact made the pigs leaner thanks to the pro-thyroid properties of the oil. Farmers were furious and despondently US planners returned to the Philippines to inform the locals that they no longer required vast amounts of coconut oil. It was determined that coconut oil wasn’t fit to give to American pigs as it was too difficult to fatten up the pigs with the oil.
NONE OF THESE IS A LONG TERM IMPARTIAL STUDY ON HUMANS!
And yet you used animals in your argument for not gaining weight on dietary fats. This is your exact quote "They dont fatten livestock for market on dietary FAT, they dont fatten them on grass or hay, they fatten them on grain which is high carb. This combined with limited opportunity to exercise gets you a fat profitable pig." You can't use an animal example and then claim that my studies don't have any merit. You can still gain weight on a high fat diet if you are in a caloric surplus. This is a fact.
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And none of these discriminate between cheap crap fat and healthy natural fats. If you cant be bothered with details, you will never understand. I know you are debating a point and so want to ignore details. Your problem.
Actually they do, you just don't take the time to read the studies. If you are going to call me out at least take the time to read the study. It specifically stated in one of the studies I linked: "The source of fat was a mix of cocoa butter, coconut oil, menhaden oil, palm oil and sunflower oil. This mix was designed to match the balance of saturated, mono-unsaturated and polyunsaturated fats (ratio 47.5: 36.8: 15.8) and the n-6: n-3 ratio (14.7: 1) in the typical western diet. The proportions of the different fat constituents and hence fatty acid distributions did not change as the total fat content changed."
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Those healthy natural fats will fill you up, the carbs wont. Simple as that. And I am sure it does vary individual to individual. As I have pointed out in arguments in past, my body doesn't give the stop eating signal until uncomfortably full on WHOLE GRAIN based diet. It gives the full signal on remarkably small amount of low carb veggie and natural fats diet.
Again, eat a large cookie, do you want another? Now down a shot glass of olive oil, do you want another?
Of course you want another cookie because it is not satiating in the least bit. it's not nutrient dense. Terrible analogy, nobody takes a shot glass of olive oil nor is olive oil more satiating than fruits, vegetables or potatoes. Just more false claims on your end.
I never enjoyed eating meat ever since I was a child, so a couple years ago I decided to transition to vegan. So far I've cut out beef, pork, dairy milk and eggs but still eat chicken since it's easy
But even with just those cuts, it didn't take long to see positive results in my skin (which is SO much clearer now) and overall mood in general.
I'm new to these forums and was wondering what dietary restrictions to people here prefer and why?
Feel free to detail your experiences, whether that's keto, vegan, carnivorous, etc. I'm curious!
- Liney~ <3
I am pescatarian. I eat fish about 2-3 days per week. Half of the food I eat are vegetables, then fruits. I eat very little bread, rice, noodles and pasta. I consider these a condiment. I fast twice a week. I rarely eat dairy. I love cheese but it's calorie dense. I use Oat Milk.
I'm less hungry. I never felt completely right with eating mammals. I don't eat chicken either. I don't need to - Q'uorn brand chick'n is delicious and can be used in any recipe. I eat meat analogues perhaps twice a week, because they are processed.
On "fasting days" I juice, or eat one 400 calorie meal.
Potatoes? That's a funny little chart with a tiny selection of foods including porridge.
I wonder if they meant eating a potato plain or if they included some butter and salt.
We only eat white potatoes on holidays. In fact, we have a bit of a joke in our extended family. The "large" side of the family has nothing but white foods at get togethers. The rest of us rarely eat any of them so we bring all the green healthier foods.
Potatoes? That's a funny little chart with a tiny selection of foods including porridge.
I wonder if they meant eating a potato plain or if they included some butter and salt.
We only eat white potatoes on holidays. In fact, we have a bit of a joke in our extended family. The "large" side of the family has nothing but white foods at get togethers. The rest of us rarely eat any of them so we bring all the green healthier foods.
Yep, look at any satiety index on the Internet and you will see pretty much every index has Potatoes near the top, none have fats as being satieting so not sure where people are getting that idea from.
Yep, look at any satiety index on the Internet and you will see pretty much every index has Potatoes near the top, none have fats as being satieting so not sure where people are getting that idea from.
i didnt know there were "satity indexes." i find that fat free yogurt doesnt keep me full for any reasonable amount of time. that is why i buy whole milk greek yogurt (which is getting hard to find) and i can eat two of those for a lunch and be good for a while. i havent really thought of applying this concept to eating fats in generaly and satiety.
i find plain rolled oats to be the most satiating food that i know.
as far as what i prefer for my regular (not cutting) diet, its meat and vegetables. if my dinner comes with potatoes or rice, ill ask to replace it with a vegetable. not so much for the diet but because i dont really enjoy potatoes and rice nearly as much as vegetables. it just fortunately works for the diet.
i like sushi, im thinking about swapping some of that for some poke bowls without any rice or a bunch of tuna tataki or similar items.
I tend to follow Michael Pollan's advice of, "eat real food, not too much, mostly plants." Generally everything in moderation--I casually count calories, and don't follow any fad diet that restricts all or some kinds of foods.
This is me. I love Pollan, Greger, Bittman....
No food restrictions, more of a "what can I add?" Herbs,nuts, seeds....
Greens and veggies go into almost everything, even a steak is served on a bed of spinach or arugula.
I try to rotate my proteins (we usually only eat meat at dinner), poultry, seafood, beef, pork, vegetarian.
The only thing I restrict is added sugar, DH doesn't. I also don't normally eat white rice or potatoes.
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And yet you used animals in your argument for not gaining weight on dietary fats. This is your exact quote "They dont fatten livestock for market on dietary FAT, they dont fatten them on grass or hay, they fatten them on grain which is high carb. This combined with limited opportunity to exercise gets you a fat profitable pig." You can't use an animal example and then claim that my studies don't have any merit. You can still gain weight on a high fat diet if you are in a caloric surplus. This is a fact.
