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Old 02-21-2021, 06:30 PM
 
Location: NYC
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Calories are calories.

Depending on what your workouts look like, you need glycogen. That's just energy pathways. It's the primary source energy for a reason, the body can burn it much more rapidly than it can stored fat. But then most people don't work out long enough or hard enough for it to matter. If you're topped up on your glycogen stores, you've got 2,000 some calories just sitting around. Absent a prolonged ketogenic diet, as in a real one not this fake keto stuff, or prolonged severely calorie deficient diet there's no shortage stored energy for most people's workout needs. Running a three-hour marathon? You need sugar. Five or ten mile jog? Probably got plenty of energy absent an actual ketogenic diet or prolonged severe caloric deficit. A normal flat weekend ride of 40-60 miles, just roll out of bed and get caffeine fix and go. 10,000 feet of climbing? Breakfast and snacks for the road.
The body does prefer glycogen because it is the primary fuel source and the quickest. Ketosis takes longer and someone need to be setup for keto to be able to run the distance using only ketones. However, the benefit of being on keto is that you can sustain longer on ketones while someone who is setup for glycogen will run out of energy sooner. But there's no doubt that glycogen for energy is much more immediate and potent. Ketosis is meant for survival.
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Old 02-21-2021, 08:10 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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The body does prefer glycogen because it is the primary fuel source and the quickest. Ketosis takes longer and someone need to be setup for keto to be able to run the distance using only ketones. However, the benefit of being on keto is that you can sustain longer on ketones while someone who is setup for glycogen will run out of energy sooner. But there's no doubt that glycogen for energy is much more immediate and potent. Ketosis is meant for survival.
Yup, know a number of athletes who tried the train keto, race on carbs. They might as well not have bothered coming out to races since they couldn't even hold wheels. Crappy training, crappy racing.

Doesn't mean you can't train to be fat adapted. A lot of athletes do, just not all the time or even all that often. Base LSD training is a good time to work on that, if you've got the time for it. But since that's the only training you can do without carbs, unless you're training for ultra-endurance eat some carbs.

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Old 02-22-2021, 06:13 PM
 
Location: NYC
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Yup, know a number of athletes who tried the train keto, race on carbs. They might as well not have bothered coming out to races since they couldn't even hold wheels. Crappy training, crappy racing.

Doesn't mean you can't train to be fat adapted. A lot of athletes do, just not all the time or even all that often. Base LSD training is a good time to work on that, if you've got the time for it. But since that's the only training you can do without carbs, unless you're training for ultra-endurance eat some carbs.
There's a guy I watch who trains for the long distance mountain run. It is absolutely insane to watch him run, he's not explosive at all. It's all about endurance and keeping your body adapted to ketones so you can harmonize on that fuel.

I noticed that ever since I'm on keto, I can't do sprints but my long distance running have improved. I used to be be a sprinter that I can run fast but not long. Now I can run long but not as fast. Keto is definitely a slower fuel.
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Old 06-04-2021, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Gaston County, N.C.
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I noticed that ever since I'm on keto, I can't do sprints but my long distance running have improved. I used to be be a sprinter that I can run fast but not long. Now I can run long but not as fast. Keto is definitely a slower fuel.
It makes perfect sense that in ancient times, during a drought, people would need to migrate somewhere else to find food. A human can walk hundreds of miles over a few weeks. A slow burning metabolism on stored fat made survival possible.
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Old 07-05-2021, 09:17 AM
 
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I tried OMAD, oh my, that did not go well..........my food-obsession grew exponentially worse.
I like to sprinkle in OMAD twice a week. No more than 3 times a week. And don't be super strict on the 23 hours that you don't eat. If you are really hungry by 21 or 22 hours go ahead and eat. Likewise, if you can push to beyond 23 hours go ahead and do so.
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Old 07-07-2021, 08:16 AM
 
Location: NYC
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I like to sprinkle in OMAD twice a week. No more than 3 times a week. And don't be super strict on the 23 hours that you don't eat. If you are really hungry by 21 or 22 hours go ahead and eat. Likewise, if you can push to beyond 23 hours go ahead and do so.
If you could do the water fast like some people promote, do it for a weekend. It has tremendous healing powers and antiaging effects.

The reason why some people age so quick because they are constantly feeding calories to a body that is overburdened with detoxification and digestion. The less calories you have to feed your body the better it can with fixing cellular damage in the body.
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