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Old 06-05-2022, 10:05 AM
 
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Most dieticians and nutritionists would disagree with this. If you eat well most of the time, a splurge, a holiday, a vacation are not going to ruin anything. Being so wrapped up in diet culture that you can't think of food and nutrition and moving your body outside of weight loss can create anxiety and unhealthy fixations.
Yeah, I think for the most part they also disagree with removing whole food groups unless you have a good reason to do so. If you are allergic or have some sort of intolerance/medical reason to avoid food groups, that is one thing. If you are just doing it to lose weight, you are going to be less likely to sustain it.

I really do think the girlfriend’s problem is that she’s tried so many crash diets that her BMR is reduced to an unhealthy level. That certainly isn’t uncommon, nor is it uncommon for women generally to have lower BMRs due to various hormonal fluctuations that can be due to something like birth control.
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Old 06-05-2022, 10:10 AM
 
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Non-processed foods are healthy, but that has no effect on weight.
I wouldn't say that. Eating a whole food diet of veggies and fruits, lean fish and meats and high fiber, can stave off chronic inflammation which is definitely a contributing factor in weight and fat gain. Processed foods should be avoided as much as possible if you want your system to work properly. Processed food result in inflammation, usually are not fibrous, and they trick your brain into wanting more food which obviosly results in weight gain.
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Old 06-05-2022, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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I wouldn't say that. Eating a whole food diet of veggies and fruits, lean fish and meats and high fiber, can stave off chronic inflammation which is definitely a contributing factor in weight and fat gain. Processed foods should be avoided as much as possible if you want your system to work properly. Processed food result in inflammation, usually are not fibrous, and they trick your brain into wanting more food which obviosly results in weight gain.
What do you mean by processed food? Most of the food we eat is processed. Flour and oatmeal is processed. Peanut butter is processed. That bag of spinach and kale is processed. Frozen vegetables are processed. Everything in dairy and meat cases has been processed. Not all processed food is unhealthy, and even the fun junk food has a place in a healthy diet.
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Old 06-05-2022, 11:26 AM
 
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Most dieticians and nutritionists would disagree with this. If you eat well most of the time, a splurge, a holiday, a vacation are not going to ruin anything. Being so wrapped up in diet culture that you can't think of food and nutrition and moving your body outside of weight loss can create anxiety and unhealthy fixations.

If you splurge too much on that one day - you will put on a lot of weight - albeit a lot of it water and it will take a week or so to shift it, so it will depend on the dieter in question who won't just fall apart when they see those extra pounds on the scale on Monday morning and get back into the saddle - a lot can't handle it and go off the rails which is why lots of people give up on their diets - they do well at the beginning on a too strict diet, lose a few (or many) pounds, go on a binge and then give up when they see the damage done on the scales.



The way to stop having 'anxiety' is if you're going to have your cheat days, accept that you will be putting a bit of weight on and get back into eating healthily, try not to have too many of them (because too many of them are counter productive) and best of all - try and change your eating habits over a long period of time - it isn't impossible to enjoy a mainly vegetable diet and eating healthier - you don't have to dream of pizzas, burgers and doughnuts or even crave them - I don't crave any of that but I did once upon a time.


Changing your eating habits for the better is the best strategy for keeping off the weight long term. If you don't retrain your palette then you're always going to gain weight once you've lost it.
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Old 06-05-2022, 01:04 PM
 
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If you splurge too much on that one day - you will put on a lot of weight - albeit a lot of it water and it will take a week or so to shift it, so it will depend on the dieter in question who won't just fall apart when they see those extra pounds on the scale on Monday morning and get back into the saddle - a lot can't handle it and go off the rails which is why lots of people give up on their diets - they do well at the beginning on a too strict diet, lose a few (or many) pounds, go on a binge and then give up when they see the damage done on the scales.



The way to stop having 'anxiety' is if you're going to have your cheat days, accept that you will be putting a bit of weight on and get back into eating healthily, try not to have too many of them (because too many of them are counter productive) and best of all - try and change your eating habits over a long period of time - it isn't impossible to enjoy a mainly vegetable diet and eating healthier - you don't have to dream of pizzas, burgers and doughnuts or even crave them - I don't crave any of that but I did once upon a time.


Changing your eating habits for the better is the best strategy for keeping off the weight long term. If you don't retrain your palette then you're always going to gain weight once you've lost it.
That flies in the face of reality.

There are billions of people occupying this planet who are NOT overweight, and don't subsist on a raw-only diet (raw being the ONLY TRUE unprocessed food).

There are entire nations where the majority of the population is NOT overweight, and they normal white-flour bread, processed cheeses, smoked meats, creamy sauces, dense, rich desserts.
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Old 06-05-2022, 04:26 PM
 
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What do you mean by processed food? Most of the food we eat is processed. Flour and oatmeal is processed. Peanut butter is processed. That bag of spinach and kale is processed. Frozen vegetables are processed. Everything in dairy and meat cases has been processed. Not all processed food is unhealthy, and even the fun junk food has a place in a healthy diet.
First of all Kale or Spinach may be technically processed for sale but they aren't generally processed as food. They are whole. If they are packaged that doesn't mean they are processed as food. If anything they are minimally processed. Frozen veggies are flash frozen and packaged. That's packaging for sale, not processed food. Eating actually processed food on an occasional basis isn't necessarily bad but it's not necessarily very healthy either. I think most people know what I'm talking about when I say processed foods vs WHOLE food. The reality is that most Americans eat highly processed foods regularly, and those foods are the root cause of most diseases. A good rule of thumb shared by Joel Fuhrman MD is if there are more than 4-5 ingredients in the package, don't eat it. Dr Fuhrman is worth listening to: https://www.drfuhrman.com/ BTW flour and processed peanut butter are terribly unhealthy.


Here's some reading on chronic inflammation:
https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/for...e-inflammation
https://www.health.harvard.edu/stayi...t-inflammation

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Old 06-05-2022, 04:50 PM
 
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That flies in the face of reality.

There are billions of people occupying this planet who are NOT overweight, and don't subsist on a raw-only diet (raw being the ONLY TRUE unprocessed food).

There are entire nations where the majority of the population is NOT overweight, and they normal white-flour bread, processed cheeses, smoked meats, creamy sauces, dense, rich desserts.
That's true but of course being overweight isn't the only manifestation of unhealthy. But I digress because that's a different conversation.
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Old 06-05-2022, 07:15 PM
 
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That flies in the face of reality.

There are billions of people occupying this planet who are NOT overweight, and don't subsist on a raw-only diet (raw being the ONLY TRUE unprocessed food).

There are entire nations where the majority of the population is NOT overweight, and they normal white-flour bread, processed cheeses, smoked meats, creamy sauces, dense, rich desserts.

What on earth are you going on about? Who has mentioned a 'raw only diet'? Not me.



The difference is in populations that do eat flour, bread, processed cheeses etc is that they don't eat this stuff all day, every day - in France, in Spain, in Italy, in China - vegetables make up a big part of their diets and a lot of those populations actually cook their food and chop their vegetables up.


In the US and the UK - people have got lazy, they eat too much of the wrong thing - processed fast/junk food, microwaved crap and they don't cook and they wonder why they can't control their weight - if most people just ONCE A WEEK had a salad instead of gorging on pizza and cakes on their cheat day, their diet would have a massive improvement and they might lose some weight.
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Old 06-05-2022, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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How long has your fiance been dieting and working out? Are you talking 6 months or 3 weeks, or what?
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Old 06-06-2022, 04:06 PM
 
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How long has your fiance been dieting and working out? Are you talking 6 months or 3 weeks, or what?
The OP posted one post ever in their existence on this forum. It was the original post in this thread, dated March 23. They're obviously not reading the thread they created and won't be answering your question.
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