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And lets be a little more honest with the terms here. "Spanking", anytime I've heard of it, is a slap on the butt with an open hand, which may not be the best form of training, but isn't meant as abuse by most people, unless they have small fragile dogs. "Bringing out the leather" is a whipping, and that's taking it to another level. Whether a dog or a child, no living thing should be hit with a strap.
tomato, tomatoe...it gets the job done.
While you people who store your dogs away in a crate, covertly punishing them, is not what I call "training. but again that's just me, not being judgemental. but its actually mental abuse to the dog. you basically trap them in a cage to make them obey a command? wow..I'd rather pop mine on the ass and they can still walk around free with a learned lesson in mind.It's not hard to train a dog. You don't have to lock them away in a crate. I know it's a major moneymaker for pet stores but it's one of the major trappings I avoid. I'm old fashioned like that. Buster don't poop in the house and Lady hasn't pee'd on my floor in 10 years. They have learned how to find their favorite spots in my yard. Buster even dug his own hole like a toilet and I swear he puts 90% of his poop in that hole. although he pees all over the yard..lol..I've had these for years. they are smart dogs. and I raised them on leather and a lotta love. Only agression they show is if a stranger comes into the yard unannounced, and if I'm not around, you're in trouble.
But you guys have fun crating your dogs. I hope they don't turn out with Schizophrenia.
I always wondered where all those sad dogs at the shelter come from.
I've trained dogs both with and without a crate. Both ways are fine, some dogs learn better one way than another. It can certainly keep a puppy safe during the time before it's learned not to chew. Without the crate, you're depending on luck they won't chew an electrical cord or something, and I wouldn't do that again.
As far as that belt, I'm not going there. If you can't see that's abusive, nothing we say is going to change that.
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What's with the head-smacking? I'm not the one hitting my dog. And I don't crate my dog either.
You talked about neither of your dogs peeing or pooping in your house. My dog doesn't pee or poop in my house. AND I don't crate him. AND I don't "spank" (aka hit) him.
And before you say that I must have the perfect dog, that's far from the truth. Artie was abused as a puppy, has aggression issues, and doesn't listen to any commands unless he feels like it.
So, no, he's not very obedient. But he's never crated. And never "spanked." And, yet, he still doesn't poop and pee where/when he shouldn't.
I know that we're on opposite sides of the fence here. Neither of us crates our dog (although I do see why some people have to), but one of us *does* use corporal punishment to "teach" them a lesson. I'd much rather get a trainer or behaviorist in to teach my dog in a method that doesn't involve me taking my hand, or my belt, or anything to "spank" my dog.
Maybe it's in the difference of how we were raised as children (I was never spanked) or where we were brought up (I'm from the northeast) or how we, ourselves, have been personally treated as people. I'm one of those who treat others in the way that I'm treated, and "others" includes my dog.
It just makes me sad for your dog that they are being hit. That's all.
First, I was using the word "you" generally in the first sentence of that post. Second, if you are going to put words in someone's mouth to make them out to be something they are not, I consider that to be a personal attack as well.
I'm curious how much experience you have with animals and animal rescue?
... And being alone for a few hours is a far cry from being stuck in a cage ALL DAY.
I have had dogs my entire live, and have only had rescue dogs from kill shelters.
Based on the sheer amount of reps I have gotten on this thread, I am even more confident in my position than I was before posting.
I have cleaned up this thread. As a reminder calling someone a troll is considered a personal attack. Please report posts rather than respond if you believe someone is indeed a troll.
Max loves his crate. It is his "bedroom". I find it to be an eyesore in my living room but he refuses a bed. At night time, he goes in on his own and will sleep in it with the door open, until we all go upstairs at bedtime. Then we lock the crate so he does not roam the house.
We started him on the crate when we adopted him three years ago. He was a stray/rescue and we have no information on his disposition nor training. Turned out he was house broken but a little skittish and refused to go upstairs.
He is very attached and protective of his crate. During the times we have to move his crate to the garage so my housekeepers can clean the floors, he jumps in there and refuses to leave, even to be on a lead, which is one of his favorite things to do. We take the crate with us collapsed, when we go to the mountains and stay with friends.
During the day, he is out of the crate. He is either under the formal dining table on a carpet, the main foyer area rug, or on a lead either in the front yard by the driveway where he can scope out the view, or the back yard if the lawn is dry and the weather is warm. He barks one or two barks when he wants to come in. He is in his crate when we have guests or repair men because he is underfoot and likes to smell women's crotches. Embarrassing when my husbands clients come in...
He hates thunder and lightning so if we're in the midst of one, we bring him up to the master bedroom with us. He has his special corner where he feels protected. We broke him of the habit of parking his butt on the stair landing for two reasons - he is a tripping hazard (which is why he is crated at night) and he dirties the carpet and walls by staying there forever.
He goes to the door when he wants to be let out (to pee, play, roll in the grass because he is itchy, whatever).
Crating is the best thing we have done for him. I don't look at it as cruel at all.
I have had dogs my entire live, and have only had rescue dogs from kill shelters.
Based on the sheer amount of reps I have gotten on this thread, I am even more confident in my position than I was before posting.
I have worked in rescue for years, and although I've gotten more than a few reps for my comments, I don't need the reps to tell me right from wrong.
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Embarrassing when my husbands clients come in...
