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Old 03-05-2015, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Chapel Hill, N.C.
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Hit em in the wallet is what I say but unless there are provisions to put liens on property, garnish wages or collect these fines it won't work.

New dog law in Cincinnati could take bite out of owners' wallets - CBS News
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Old 03-05-2015, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Montana
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I think this is a good law, and the right direction from a legal perspective.

The owner of the dog is punished for a specific event from a specific dog, rather than targeting all dogs of a breed or breeds or all owners of that breed(s) and hoping the dragnet approach eliminates viscious dog/bad owners - it won't by the way, there will just be some other breed that becomes today's "pit bull" which are normally the current targets of BSL today.
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Old 03-06-2015, 05:20 AM
 
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Hit em in the wallet is what I say but unless there are provisions to put liens on property, garnish wages or collect these fines it won't work.

New dog law in Cincinnati could take bite out of owners' wallets - CBS News
I think you're right. It's a great idea but it won't work if it has no teeth(bad, bad pun). I say confiscate the dog until the fine's paid. Give them 30 days or it's euthanized.
It's ridiculous that in a first world country it's so difficult to get anything done about problematic dogs and their irresponsible owners.
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Old 03-06-2015, 05:43 AM
 
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I think you're right. It's a great idea but it won't work if it has no teeth(bad, bad pun). I say confiscate the dog until the fine's paid. Give them 30 days or it's euthanized.
It's ridiculous that in a first world country it's so difficult to get anything done about problematic dogs and their irresponsible owners.

The problem that caused this law, was that drug dealers put chain link fence around their house, put vicious dogs inside the fence and went out about their business. None of their customers and neighbors would try to break in while they were gone due to the presence of the dogs. Of course, the dealers did not care a fig if one jumped the fence now and then and got picked up and put down. The little girl who lost her face here in Cincinnati just lived nearby when the dogs got out.

So, penalizing the owner by euthanization means nada.

And, Cincinnati cannot enact legislation that makes it a felony to use dogs in the commission of a crime, so they petitioned the State of Ohio to do so which would discourage the presence of vicious dogs at a drug sales house.
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Old 03-06-2015, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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there will just be some other breed that becomes today's "pit bull" which are normally the current targets of BSL today.
I recently read a hard copy of The Pit Bull Placebo
http://www.nationalcanineresearchcou...o_download.pdf

It is heavy on statistics/data, but it was interesting to read about how reporting of dog bites has changed over the last 100 years and which breeds were the "bad ones" at the time, including bloodhounds and collies.
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Old 03-06-2015, 07:37 AM
 
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Interesting article but rather inconclusive in the early reports when the types of dogs were reported as "Pet Dog," "Savage Dog," "Vicious Dog," "Neighbors Dog," etc., with no breed mentioned. And the later report was based only on newspaper articles. How many dog attacks never make it to the papers. And some cases it sounded like self-defense (owner kicked it...neighbors dog attacked it). And is some cases, when "large dog" was mentioned, it does not state injury. I once read where quite a few large dogs injuries to kids was not caused by an attack, but by the dog knocking the kid down while playing, etc., which in some cases can be dangerous.
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Old 03-08-2015, 07:05 AM
 
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The problem that caused this law, was that drug dealers put chain link fence around their house, put vicious dogs inside the fence and went out about their business. None of their customers and neighbors would try to break in while they were gone due to the presence of the dogs. Of course, the dealers did not care a fig if one jumped the fence now and then and got picked up and put down. The little girl who lost her face here in Cincinnati just lived nearby when the dogs got out.

So, penalizing the owner by euthanization means nada.
Euthanizing the dog would serve to eliminate the problem, not penalize the owner, per se. The fine does that, and should still remain and be enforced. But as was mentioned, there has to be some means to collect(liens, garnishments, etc).
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Old 03-08-2015, 07:16 AM
 
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Euthanizing the dog would serve to eliminate the problem, not penalize the owner, per se. The fine does that, and should still remain and be enforced. But as was mentioned, there has to be some means to collect(liens, garnishments, etc).

No one is successful collecting fines from a drug dealer. The key here is using the vicious dogs in the commission of a crime. When the state makes that a felony, the practice will stop. Until then, nada.
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Old 03-08-2015, 07:24 AM
 
Location: Texas
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The fact that some idiot had to pay a fine is poor consolation once your face is ripped off.
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Old 03-08-2015, 07:27 AM
 
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The fact that some idiot had to pay a fine is poor consolation once your face is ripped off.

You got that right!


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WESTWOOD, OH (FOX19) - A young girl was hospitalized Wednesday night after being severely attacked by two dogs in Westwood, and the dog owner is now in police custody.

The victim, six-year-old Zainabou Drame, is listed in critical but stable condition at Children's Hospital. She was outside playing in her Westwood neighborhood with her brother, only a few houses down the street from where she lives, when two pit bulls attacked.

"They knocked her down then the dogs started chewing on her face and blood started coming everywhere. They ripped her jaw off," said nine-year-old Moustapha Drame, the victim's brother who witnessed the attack.

Responding officers arrived at the scene in the 2900 block of Aquadale Lane when the dogs were still actively attacking the child on the sidewalk. Police said four officers distracted the dogs and then fired shots, killing both of them. A third dog, not involved in the attack, is now in the custody of the SPCA.
Zainabou Drame's grandfather credits the mother with saving her life. He said she used a baseball bat to fight the dogs off her daughter.
24-year-old Zontae Irby owns the dogs and was arrested early Thursday morning. Police searched Irby's home and charged him with weapons under disability, drug abuse and drug trafficking. Charges are pending in relation to the dog attack, Cincinnati Police say.
Operations Director of the Cincinnati SPCA Mike Retzlaff, said pit bull owners have a responsibility to keep their animals under control.
"The people that are owning them in these cases don't take the proper time with them, training them, just making them good citizens and therefore they're going to be in the headlines," said Retzlaff.
Zainabou Drame's family told FOX19's Gordon Graham that the girl suffered such severe injuries to her mouth and face that she may never be able to talk normally again. She underwent surgery last night, what her family said will be the first of many operations and a long road to recovery.
This wasn't the first visit police have made to Irby's home on Aquadale Lane. His brother is Dierres Lee, the man who admitted to killing a La Salle High School student last year during a drug deal gone wrong.
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