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Old 10-10-2011, 12:00 PM
 
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Man, the callousness on this place never ceases to amaze. We're all one medical emergency/bankruptcy from ending up like this guy. I got a similar education (BSAE and MSAE) and this guy's portrayal of the aerospace industry is spot on. We can't all be equally aggressive in the pursuit of our economic capitalizing. That guy doesn't seem to me like an excuse maker. His plight was unfortunate and legit. You monday morning quarterbacks got no perspective. It reeks of optimism-bias up in here...
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Old 10-10-2011, 12:38 PM
 
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My experience is that the thought processes are identical in the etherial world of that PhD to those of a production shop. The PhD gets the luxury of pondering for a day ... or months or years ... because his pay is rarely predicated upon the type of productivity which can be measured in a shop.

Doesn't matter if it's a piece rate production shop or an hourly wage shop; the management tools to assess productivity are in place and even an hourly worker must be a net asset to the shop.
Sure.

Piece rate has some translates to hourly and vice versa. No argument.

You follow we are matching on that?

But for the brainaic to get his mind around Production = Pay can sometimes be a difficult process. That is all I am saying.

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We'll infer that those qualities translate into quantifiable income production for the company ... although they do run a bit counter to your candid comments about being a EE in other C-D threads.
Naw, just the world of contracting.

You follow I am joking about the Charm and Goodwill with you? Because you have a case of the ass for me. It was supposed to be funny.

But from my point of view there is no real difference in picking up garbage and designing a laser weapon tracking system, in that regard. I just jumped into Renewable when I looked at larger patterns in the country and world.

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"Will a project pay?" issues are always about the money. It's either worth the time and investment into bringing it to fruition or it's not. Given your choice between a project that's well rewarded or using your resources to do one that yields a few dollars ... I'll bet that you place a priority upon the former.
Not so much. That would be a mercenary, and I chose specifically NOT to do/be that.

But in Contracting I have make sure they:

1. actually have money, and
2. are going to pay me.

Here is the sort -- sorry if this is longwinded or boring, but someone may get some good from this. It is based on 5th grade journalism and Project Management --

1. Who. Who I am dealing with? Most important. Cannot do good business with bad people.
2. What. What are they trying to do, and what do they want me to do. I no longer do weapons, nukes, or things I can see would harm others.
3. Where. Have some places that are on my No Go List.
4. When. The schedule. Some folk's schedule is so crazy or dysfunctional, I just have to tell them they are screwed, right up front.

AND Then the Money. Actually Last on the List.

5. How Much. The budget. I usually just try to get the first 4 done with what they have to work with.
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Old 10-10-2011, 01:10 PM
 
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Man, the callousness on this place never ceases to amaze. We're all one medical emergency/bankruptcy from ending up like this guy. I got a similar education (BSAE and MSAE) and this guy's portrayal of the aerospace industry is spot on. We can't all be equally aggressive in the pursuit of our economic capitalizing. That guy doesn't seem to me like an excuse maker. His plight was unfortunate and legit. You monday morning quarterbacks got no perspective. It reeks of optimism-bias up in here...
You are probably quite correct.

I am thinking a LOT more folks are going to come to understand this before this is over.
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Old 10-10-2011, 03:45 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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There must be more to this story. This man is severely overweight, and apparently has some hidden health problems judging by the way he holds his mouth. Hard to believe that he doesn't have family who can allow him to live with them until he gets back on his feet. What about all the contacts he made at Dartmouth? No friends, no acquaintances? He appears articulate and intelligent, but maybe some early dementia is setting in as well since his mom had it. Possibly this impacted his performance in the interviews he's been on and increasingly in the jobs he's held of late. Maybe his homeless status reflects poorly on his performance, appearance, and the impression he gives in his interviews. I agree with him that being black could pose additional complications in terms of how he's perceived. I hear that Boston is not an ideal place for educated blacks to pursue a career. Boston doesn't seem to be his town. Stands to reason that he should spending more of an effort searching elsewhere. Something else just isn't right here.

Great headline, sad story, but what's the real story behind this man's problems? Wish I knew the full story.
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Old 10-10-2011, 06:35 PM
 
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I am sure if you wanted to buy him a plane ticket or a Lexus (plus reasonable expenses) he could travel right over and tell you?
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Old 10-10-2011, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Near a river
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There must be more to this story. This man is severely overweight, and apparently has some hidden health problems judging by the way he holds his mouth. Hard to believe that he doesn't have family who can allow him to live with them until he gets back on his feet. What about all the contacts he made at Dartmouth? No friends, no acquaintances? He appears articulate and intelligent, but maybe some early dementia is setting in as well since his mom had it. Possibly this impacted his performance in the interviews he's been on and increasingly in the jobs he's held of late. Maybe his homeless status reflects poorly on his performance, appearance, and the impression he gives in his interviews. I agree with him that being black could pose additional complications in terms of how he's perceived. I hear that Boston is not an ideal place for educated blacks to pursue a career. Boston doesn't seem to be his town. Stands to reason that he should spending more of an effort searching elsewhere. Something else just isn't right here.

Great headline, sad story, but what's the real story behind this man's problems? Wish I knew the full story.
Ageism is the biggest problem, plus living in shelters. If he were 45, instead of 55, it would be just as bad age-wise in getting offered a job. Who wants to hire someone 10 years from retirement, with all those years of losing skills??? His overweight status is due to eating crappy food--white bread, fructose, hydrogenated oils, packaged foods, discarded foods....try living that way and see how you look before long. This guy has the cards stacked against him on many levels. It's amazing he's getting the kinds of calls he says he's getting. Have you seen the TV clips of the job fairs for the over-50 unemployed? What more story do you need?
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Old 10-10-2011, 07:08 PM
 
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He's 55 years old. Of course he is not going to find a good job at that age.
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Old 10-10-2011, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Destrehan, Louisiana
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He's 55 years old. Of course he is not going to find a good job at that age.

BS I'm 52 and I have been hired by three different companies in the past three years.

Bottom line is that all the education in the world won't get you hired if you don't know how to market yourself and if you don't know how to use that education.


busta
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Old 10-10-2011, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Near a river
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BS I'm 52 and I have been hired by three different companies in the past three years.

Bottom line is that all the education in the world won't get you hired if you don't know how to market yourself and if you don't know how to use that education.


busta
Street people who have fallen off the job wagon (for whatever reason) without decent hygiene, clothes, email/computer, transportation, some money, and an address don't get to "market" themselves too easily.
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Old 10-10-2011, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Nebraska
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So many of our jobs requiring advanced degrees are so specialized that that knowledge is only useful in certain situations. A cousin of mine has two PhD's in different areas of studies. He worked for an Aerospace contractor involved in designing life support systems for N.A.S.A. He got laid off a few months before he turned 65. Luckily for him he was ready to retire and financially able to BUT he really liked his work and IF he could have found work in his specialty he would have stayed with it. Many of his younger co-workers were not so lucky.

GL2
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