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Old 04-20-2014, 04:21 PM
 
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Most private hospitals in the UK exist because of petty snobbery and those who want their own room.
Wanting a private room is petty snobbery? If someone wants to pay extra for a private room, why make a judgmental description to that desire?
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Old 04-20-2014, 05:20 PM
 
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Wanting a private room is petty snobbery? If someone wants to pay extra for a private room, why make a judgmental description to that desire?
Because the resources are wasted. Where you could house two people or four people, you are rooming only one. As a result, there are fewer beds available. Given the real issues that result from having too few hospital beds (people being turned away), it's bad. It is just another way that the wealthiest are allowed to create inefficient allocations of resources even regarding necessities like healthcare.
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Old 04-20-2014, 05:30 PM
 
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Because the resources are wasted. Where you could house two people or four people, you are rooming only one. As a result, there are fewer beds available. Given the real issues that result from having too few hospital beds (people being turned away), it's bad. It is just another way that the wealthiest are allowed to create inefficient allocations of resources even regarding necessities like healthcare.
You do realize that having a private room is the standard for all new USA hospital construction right?
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Old 04-20-2014, 07:03 PM
 
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You do realize that having a private room is the standard for all new USA hospital construction right?
Yes. How would that disprove my point? Our private healthcare system is a disastrous failure. Maybe they are building very small private rooms, but even additional partitions decreases usable floor space, which means this is probably inefficient.
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Old 04-20-2014, 07:10 PM
 
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Because the resources are wasted. Where you could house two people or four people, you are rooming only one. As a result, there are fewer beds available. Given the real issues that result from having too few hospital beds (people being turned away), it's bad. It is just another way that the wealthiest are allowed to create inefficient allocations of resources even regarding necessities like healthcare.
It's actually the opposite of what you say. By going private to get a private room, people who can afford it take the pressure off the public system and free up a bed in a public hospital.

The limiting factor for hospital beds is not space, but bed licences.
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Old 04-21-2014, 02:48 AM
 
Location: London
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You do realize that having a private room is the standard for all new USA hospital construction right?
UK NHS wards are a mix. Many wards are in a cross shape. The centre of the cross is the desk. The lines of the cross are bays of about 6 beds. The medical staff prefer the cross as they can observe all the patients from one point. When I was in a private room the nurses kept the door open in case I shouted for any reason.

Some NHS hospitals have private rooms and you pay for them - or your insurance does. The care is the same and the same people.
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Old 04-24-2014, 07:57 AM
 
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The universal healthcare system is a colossal failure. Look at all the lazy bums it created in Europe.

The aspect of the U.S. model that I like is healthcare being tied to employment. However, this model will never be what it could be unless a few changes are made. First, Medicaid shouldn't be provided to anyone who is capable of working. Doing this would greatly reduce the number of freeloaders in this country because people would need to find a job if they wanted health insurance. Also, I would like to see hospitals having the option to refuse uninsured patients. Either that, or be able to send patients into debtor prisons if they are delinquent on their payments. Fair is fair. There are no free lunches in this world. As a taxpayer and small business owner, I am sick and tired of having to pick up the tab for those who refuse to work and don't pay their fair share.

And now people are suggesting universal healthcare? Why not become a full-blown socialist country while we're at it? Do you liberals realize that socialism does not work. Log off of Facebook for a minute and read a history book for a change. Look at what happened in the Soviet Union. People had to wait forever to get a piece of bread (just like how people in Europe and Canada wait forever to get treatment). Is this what you want to see in your own country? Capitalism works and has worked for hundreds of years. Why change something that isn't broken?
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Old 05-02-2014, 05:48 AM
 
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Here is a better source: http://www.oecd.org/unitedstates/Bri...e-USA-2013.pdf

Anyway, people do have a better survival rate for cancer in America. Mainly because if you get cancer in America, you are most of the time younger than an equivalent cancer patient in Europe. Cancer becomes more prevalent as you age, and people in Europe live years longer, due to better health care.

Many of the cancer cases pulling down European stats arise at ages where the average American would be dead.
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Old 05-02-2014, 06:46 AM
 
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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The universal healthcare system is a colossal failure. Look at all the lazy bums it created in Europe.

Horrible failure. Better results for less money and full coverage of the population. Horrible!

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Look at what happened in the Soviet Union. People had to wait forever to get a piece of bread (just like how people in Europe and Canada wait forever to get treatment). Is this what you want to see in your own country? Capitalism works and has worked for hundreds of years. Why change something that isn't broken?

This has to be a parody post. People still confuse communism (political system) and socialism (economic system) in this day and age?!!?
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