Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Economics
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 09-12-2014, 12:03 AM
 
Location: Someplace Wonderful
5,177 posts, read 4,795,460 times
Reputation: 2587

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by Opin_Yunated View Post
Because the right-wing corporate media continues to declare that it works. Evidence says it doesn't.
What evidence?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 09-12-2014, 12:19 AM
 
Location: Sandpoint, Idaho
3,007 posts, read 6,291,292 times
Reputation: 3310
Quote:
Originally Posted by valsteele View Post
Didn't the crash of 2007 and rising inequality and poverty in America prove well enough that the "dream of the 80s" is no longer alive? I hear libertarian and conservative types and even some liberals still sing the praise of deregulation and flat taxes.
Please disaggregate your POV.

* Crash of 2007 was really set in motion during the Clinton Admin -- a combination of a GOP led house and Senate and a President too considered with his polls. You are stretching to go back to the 80s for that crisis.

* Rising inequality has been a secular trend that has gone back to the early 80s and could care less about party lines--instead look at all gutting of the middle class and the simple nature of globalization, led by China and India coming back "online" after self-imposed isolation and incompetence. Within that process we see both parties and their rich constituents loving the outsourcing.

* Poverty: The reality is that the deep poverty of isolated islands of forgotten Americans is again the fault of a air of indifference shared by both parties over the plight of Americans.

* Deregulation. The deregulation of the 70s was long overdue and in many ways a move in the right direction. Remember the starting point was horrific regulation and taxes. The deregulation of the financial industry--such as lifting barriers for investment banks--and doing so without consideration/monitoring of possible consequences was the work of complete idiots--Gingrich, Gramm, and Cheney--under a Democratic Administration only too happy to see a return of the booming 20s.

* Flat Taxes: This was not Reagan but Reagan acolytes and pseudo-economists like Kemp and Forbes. But flat taxes are irrelevant since they never came about.

The critique of Reaganomics should be focused on the explosion of the deficit spending, militarization of foreign policy beyond the cold war, and the lost opportunity to deal with outsourcing, which began to ramp up in earnest that decade.

S.

*
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-12-2014, 12:42 AM
 
4,765 posts, read 3,735,255 times
Reputation: 3038
Speaking of Reagan and his policies, where the heck is that Star Wars Missile Shield (SDI) he spent billions on?
If it is still not possible today, what insanity drove anyone to believe it was possible thirty years ago? Certainly, we cannot call a president who tripled the national debt any kind of economic genius.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-12-2014, 01:06 AM
 
Location: Sunrise
10,864 posts, read 17,003,206 times
Reputation: 9084
Quote:
Originally Posted by shaker281 View Post
Speaking of Reagan and his policies, where the heck is that Star Wars Missile Shield (SDI) he spent billions on?
If it is still not possible today, what insanity drove anyone to believe it was possible thirty years ago? Certainly, we cannot call a president who tripled the national debt any kind of economic genius.
And Reagan led us down the debt-addicted path we find ourselves on today. No, it wasn't enough to merely leverage ourselves up to our eyeballs. We had to leverage our children, grandchildren and now great grandchildren up to their eyeballs, too.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-12-2014, 02:08 AM
 
2,673 posts, read 2,238,012 times
Reputation: 5024
Quote:
Originally Posted by valsteele View Post
Didn't the crash of 2007 and rising inequality and poverty in America prove well enough that the "dream of the 80s" is no longer alive? I hear libertarian and conservative types and even some liberals still sing the praise of deregulation and flat taxes.

And so, you are baffled that a nation carrying a 50 trillion dollar overall debt load, which borrows roughly 38 percent of it's annual budget every year at 6 percent interest from a privately held bank, is having problems?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-12-2014, 02:13 AM
 
4,765 posts, read 3,735,255 times
Reputation: 3038
Quote:
Originally Posted by Led Zeppelin View Post
And so, you are baffled that a nation carrying a 50 trillion dollar overall debt load, which borrows roughly 38 percent of it's annual budget every year at 6 percent interest from a privately held bank, is having problems?
Maybe he is baffled that the same folks who participated in getting us to this point, are offering shop worn plans to fixing those problems?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-12-2014, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Someplace Wonderful
5,177 posts, read 4,795,460 times
Reputation: 2587
Quote:
Originally Posted by shaker281 View Post
Speaking of Reagan and his policies, where the heck is that Star Wars Missile Shield (SDI) he spent billions on?
If it is still not possible today, what insanity drove anyone to believe it was possible thirty years ago? Certainly, we cannot call a president who tripled the national debt any kind of economic genius.
Never happened. The dems refused to pass legislation nor fund it.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-12-2014, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Someplace Wonderful
5,177 posts, read 4,795,460 times
Reputation: 2587
Quote:
Originally Posted by ScoopLV View Post
And Reagan led us down the debt-addicted path we find ourselves on today. No, it wasn't enough to merely leverage ourselves up to our eyeballs. We had to leverage our children, grandchildren and now great grandchildren up to their eyeballs, too.
In feturn for funding to rebuild our military, Reagan gave the dems all the social spending they wanted. THAT is the reason for the so called Reagan deficits.Contrary to liberal left theology, Reagan did NOT cut social spending. Go check the annual budgets 1982-1989. Social spending INCREASED EVERY YEAR!

Look it up ...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-12-2014, 08:09 AM
 
48,502 posts, read 96,902,805 times
Reputation: 18305
Quote:
Originally Posted by valsteele View Post
I think there are better ways to provide opportunities for the third world than to consumerize them and turn them into clones of Americans.
Apparently they do not agree and you have nothing to say about their choice.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-12-2014, 08:27 AM
 
9,639 posts, read 6,024,708 times
Reputation: 8567
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mandalorian View Post
Because it works. The great recession was caused by a variety of factors, mainly lending.
Reganonmics had a big part to play in the Great Recession.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MidwestRedux View Post
The United States was found on Libertarian principles of small government and our Constitution drafted accordingly. By mostly sticking to those ideals for a couple hundred years, the U.S. became the greatest superpower in the history of civilization.
The economy is nothing like it was 200 years ago.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Economics
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top