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Hahaha, a moderate market-based reform is a "Socialist monstrosity?" There wasn't even a public insurance option, much less a single-payer reform or a British NHS-style nationalization of our healthcare system. The most "Socialist" thing was an expansion of Medicaid, and numerous states have balked at THAT out of spite and/or parsimony.
When ACA was passed there was about 30 million americans without insurance
Then this climbed to 46 million, and we are now hovering around 31 million americans without insurance.
Thats a LOSS of 11 million individuals.
And dont forget, that doesnt include illegals, which the administation tried to count in the initial numbers but was called on it for being the lie that it was.
Even the CBO has admitted that the numbers will not go lower than 30 million without insurance over the next decade, which makes it a complete failure since it was designed to cover EVERY AMERICAN.
In reality that is actually a net loss of 1 million. We lost 16 million due to plans that got dropped to get to the 46 million and gained 15 million to get to the hovering around 31 million. Unless you meant 20 and typed in 3 by accident, that's bad math.
In reality that is actually a net loss of 1 million. We lost 16 million due to plans that got dropped to get to the 46 million and gained 15 million to get to the hovering around 31 million. Unless you meant 20 and typed in 3 by accident, that's bad math.
actually I meant we're hovering around 41 million uninsured at the moment.
11 million individuals have lost health insurance since ACA has been passed into law, and the employer mandate hasnt even kicked in yet. We went from 30 million without insurance to 46 million, and then back down to 41 million. The CBO says we'll never get below 30 million post ACA..
This Marc Thiesen calls himself an "economist"?!? This really explains why so many people distrust economists. He sure gives his profession a really bad rap. We know that about 8 mio people signed up for ObamaCare and about 4 million more people now have health care coverage than before. Not ideal, but a lot better than before. Let's go into details of what he said and "predicted":
- "Even if the administration manages to fix the Web site and finally implement the individual mandate, people still may not join — because the plans being offered are so unattractive."
- "Even with federal subsidies, few Americans will bother to buy insurance with a $4,000 to $12,700 deductible — and millions won’t even be eligible for the subsidies."
- "If enough Americans don’t join the exchanges, Obamacare collapses."
- "London’s Daily Mail reported that total sign-ups in the first week were just 51,000 people."
One more pseudo-"economist" we can scratch from our list to trust in anything.
Posts like this are the reason there are still democrats around, you post false information and some people believe you. There are far less people now insured than before and obamacare is still a failure and is not working..!
Obamacare has become such a hot button issue. Too bad 99% of the people arguing for or against don't know jack about it or have any meaningful (factual) statistics to back up their views.
I used to be an actuary for a large medical insurance firm. I have my Masters in Econ. I know a bit about the inner workings of insurance firms... and how they were scared to death about Obamacare being passed.
I want any detractors of Obamacare to consider my last sentence, which is undoubtedly fact. WHY do you think insurance firms were all deadset against Obamacare, hmm?
The answer is because they've lost their ability to keep raising their premiums by insane amounts every year. With Obamacare, it's kept insurance providers in check, because if they raise rates too much, they'll lose their customers to a plan on one of the exchanges. It's that simple.
People are complaining that their premiums went up under Obamacare... Yes, they probably did. Don't forget to think about the fact that your premiums were going to go up ANYWAY, and probably by an even larger degree, before the implementation of Obamacare.
I worked for that insurance firm for about 6 years... long enough to develop an incredible distaste and loathing for insurance firms in their pursuit of profit at the expense of human life. Healthcare is one of those things that should NOT be a private sector enterprise. It isn't like buying a car, where we have choices as to what kind of car we want, and what features we want it to have, etc. Healthcare, at it's simplest, is the same for everyone. We ALL want access to it, because when we need it, that's it. We need it. It's not an economic "want", it's an economic need. As such, profit needs to take a backseat to humanity. People shouldn't lose their coverage or be denied coverage because of a preexisting condition. I've seen that a lot btw... People who paid their premiums religiously, but their insurer dropped them the second they find out that a person has come down with a terminal illness that will be expensive to treat.
With Obamacare, those people now have coverage, which the "free" market denied them before.
The saddest thing about this topic is how many people have had the wool pulled over their eyes. Healthcare is not about what political affiliation you are, though some can only think in those terms. In the end, it boils down to what you value more... Do you think the corporation should trump the individual in matters of their own health? Or do you think that we should all have a fair shake at living the healthiest life we can?
And just to make one last point... for the love of God, if you're going to make a point, back it up with FACTS from a REPUTABLE source. Not a biased one. Some of the claims in here are utterly ridiculous.
Obamacare has become such a hot button issue. Too bad 99% of the people arguing for or against don't know jack about it or have any meaningful (factual) statistics to back up their views.
I used to be an actuary for a large medical insurance firm. I have my Masters in Econ. I know a bit about the inner workings of insurance firms... and how they were scared to death about Obamacare being passed.
55,000 posts, and a paltry 7,000 reputation score. You want to take a guess why that is or should I just tell you?
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