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Which, thus far, available evidence does not suggest that this is actually a problem but rather wishful thinking on the part of people who want it to fail.
It's a problem, just not the landslide where all the old sick people on death's door ran out and bought coverage and anyone healthy and under 45 skipped. That said, there's still more older people than younger people. It really wouldn't be a problem except that the young people are expected to subsidize the older people. Especially if you consider that younger people are less likely to have insurance of their own, it's certainly noteworthy.
This Marc Thiesen calls himself an "economist"?!? This really explains why so many people distrust economists. He sure gives his profession a really bad rap. We know that about 8 mio people signed up for ObamaCare and about 4 million more people now have health care coverage than before. Not ideal, but a lot better than before. Let's go into details of what he said and "predicted":
- "Even if the administration manages to fix the Web site and finally implement the individual mandate, people still may not join — because the plans being offered are so unattractive."
- "Even with federal subsidies, few Americans will bother to buy insurance with a $4,000 to $12,700 deductible — and millions won’t even be eligible for the subsidies."
- "If enough Americans don’t join the exchanges, Obamacare collapses."
- "London’s Daily Mail reported that total sign-ups in the first week were just 51,000 people."
One more pseudo-"economist" we can scratch from our list to trust in anything.
The Washington Post is a wholly owned right wing propaganda rag. What did you expect them to print? A comparison of Obamacare and Romneycare, which are almost identical?
Marc Thiessen is a fellow at the conservative Hoover Institute as well as a journalist. He was a speechwriter for President George W. Bush and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. Prior to that he was a policy adviser to Sen. Jesse Helms (R-NC). The London newspaper The Daily Telegraph places Thiessen number 97 of the "100 Most Influential Conservatives in America."
The London Daily Mail, where Thiessen sometimes publishes, was owned for decades by Lord Rothermere, a well-known Fascist sympathizer. His heirs now run the Daily Mail Trust and they continue to be staunch supporters of Britain's Conservative party. Neither Mr. Thiessen, nor the London Daily Mail, nor FOX News (another place Thiessen's opinions are often heard) have anything to gain from the success of the Affordable Care Act. So it seems unsurprising to me they would be touting unreliable statistics they wish were true.
It's rather obvious now that "Obamacare" has been accepted by the majority of the American people. The number of our uninsured citizens is lower than it's been since the beginning of 2008, before the economic crisis, according to government statistics and current polling by Gallup. Republican candidates are no longer running against the Affordable Care Act except in the nation's most conservative districts where the word "Obamacare" might still be a dog whistle, especially among seniors who have their own Medicare and don't need it. In U.S., Uninsured Rate Lowest Since 2008
Minnesota's exchange, MNSURE, has been touted by the Dems as one of the most successful of the state exchanges. This week, the largest and cheapest of the insurers in MNSURE pulled out citing that it is "not sustainable" to continue. Policy prices will certainly increase.
We ALL know that the worst of the train wreck known as 'ObamaCare' has yet to occur. Dems put off the pain until after the mid-term elections hoping that their low IQ supporters forget about how much their premiums will rise come January 2015.
We do need health care reform and civilized first world nations should have some sort of universal healthcare...
Is-Ought The is-ought fallacy occurs when a conclusion expressing what ought to be so is inferred from premises expressing only what is so, in which it is supposed that no implicit or explicit ought-premises are needed.
HEAVY HITTER The American Hospital Association represents 37,000 individual members at more than 5,000 hospitals and health care systems.
View totals for other cycles:
CONTRIBUTIONS
$2,383,767 ranks 137 of 20,981
LOBBYING
$19,251,200 (2012)
$20,823,341 (2011) ranks 5 of 4,368 in 2012
OUTSIDE SPENDING
$1,912,675 ranks 47 of 296
The American Hospital Association gave....
$779 Million to Obama for America 2008
$260 Million to DNC 2008
$428 Million to RNC 2008
If more than 5,000 hospitals are members, then that means 86.8% are members.
That's a monopoly.
Apparently, just as soon as you get $779 Million, you, too, can "reform" healthcare.
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Originally Posted by Swingblade
In the case of Obamacare we do have to wait a year or 2 since the employer mandate has not been implemented. I would think the creators of the bill were expecting more the 8 million sign ups with a good portion being Medicaid expansion. It will take some years to judge this type of massive legislation if it is a failure or success.
Good point.
In fact, Obama side-stepped a number of major provisions in Obamacare, delaying them indefinitely to prevent additional harm to the economy.
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Originally Posted by MaseMan
The detractors of the ACA are constantly moving the failure goalposts back further and further. The ACA isn't perfect, not by a long shot...but it is still better than the immoral "profits over people, let them die" system we had before.
Tell us again why hospitals are allowed to price-gouge and charge $55,000 for an appendectomy that probably only costs $2,800 with profit.
Show us which parts of the ACA bar price-fixing by hospital monopolies and price-gouging by hospital monopolies.
Reforming...
Mircea
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