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If the government is democratic then the idea that Socialism concentrates wealth in the government is just saying that it concentrates wealth in the hands of the people instead of small handful of individuals. And unions... where is this idea that unions are a menace coming from? It's the only way people with labor but not capital can receive the actual productive value of their labor in a market economy.
As to all of the "characteristics", you aren't providing anything to argue. You are just making assertions.
Almost all people here are mostly making assertions. What a weird statement.
You seem to assume that there is that point when the government is democratic. That's a lofty imagination. It is framed as "democratic" when wealth is concentrated on those public "servants" who claim they know better than their citizens. It concentrates wealth in the hands of a small handful of individuals who practice the principle of capitalism they reject while dressed in socialist language.
Socialism simply doesn't exist. It's an utopian idea that will never get realized. Its charm and appeal are enormous precisely due to its lack of feasibility. We as human beings seek supra, higher, better things. It is completely understandable. But socialist ideas lead to the 180 degree results when mingled with human messy minds, limits, and actions.
however, one must note that those "thought leaders" pursuing socialism are mostly well aware of its lies. These are basically venturists and political entrepreneurs who pick socialism as a way to advance their authoritarian power. Socialism isn't a cause or a goal. Far from it. It's a vehicle to achieve feudal political regimes and punish those they dislike. Its superficial compassion does not hide its brutal coercion. It's indeed the antidose to human freedom.
Socialism will never be realized in America. But it's not because the anti socialists are powerful or that the political right or a good bit of the left successfully reject it. It is because such a utopian idea fails from the very beginning, with or without rejection. Its success in controlling America, if ever happens, is the beginning of its failure. But if it does control this country, it will drag it down with it.
It seems that Socialists always describe their system as this ultimate paradise, equality, compassion, etc. Power is in the hands of the people. It's the end of history again.
Noam Chomsky, one of the writers the left loves, once said that the most effective propaganda is one that allows a wide spectrum of acceptable opinions, and within that spectrum, encourage critical ones. The more critical those opinions are, the more tolerant the propaganda system seems, and the more long living the system is. Socialists could learn a thing or two from their favorite intellectual. They would actually get more audiences. Not me. But plenty more Americans would subscribe to it.
Just take a look at the percentages. The majority of people who voted here support capitalism not socialism.
Socialists should just stop their phony democracy argument. What they want is to ignore the vast majority of public opinion. Instead serve the interests and opinions of a much smaller percentage of socialists, who lament all the time a "small handful group of people" except themselves. They are that small handful group of people. They want to grab power into their hands, a small handful group of hands. How democratic is that?
Socialists and social democratic ideologues do not want democracy. They are top down authoritarians whose goals are to control the general public by their self righteous logic. Democracy is good only when it serves their interests, only when it agrees with their subjective preferences and elite fetishes.
I suggest that socialists look into the mirror to find that fascists they are looking for.
Almost all people here are mostly making assertions. What a weird statement.
You seem to assume that there is that point when the government is democratic. That's a lofty imagination. It is framed as "democratic" when wealth is concentrated on those public "servants" who claim they know better than their citizens. It concentrates wealth in the hands of a small handful of individuals who practice the principle of capitalism they reject while dressed in socialist language.
Socialism simply doesn't exist. It's an utopian idea that will never get realized. Its charm and appeal are enormous precisely due to its lack of feasibility. We as human beings seek supra, higher, better things. It is completely understandable. But socialist ideas lead to the 180 degree results when mingled with human messy minds, limits, and actions.
however, one must note that those "thought leaders" pursuing socialism are mostly well aware of its lies. These are basically venturists and political entrepreneurs who pick socialism as a way to advance their authoritarian power. Socialism isn't a cause or a goal. Far from it. It's a vehicle to achieve feudal political regimes and punish those they dislike. Its superficial compassion does not hide its brutal coercion. It's indeed the antidose to human freedom.
Socialism will never be realized in America. But it's not because the anti socialists are powerful or that the political right or a good bit of the left successfully reject it. It is because such a utopian idea fails from the very beginning, with or without rejection. Its success in controlling America, if ever happens, is the beginning of its failure. But if it does control this country, it will drag it down with it.
It seems that Socialists always describe their system as this ultimate paradise, equality, compassion, etc. Power is in the hands of the people. It's the end of history again.
Noam Chomsky, one of the writers the left loves, once said that the most effective propaganda is one that allows a wide spectrum of acceptable opinions, and within that spectrum, encourage critical ones. The more critical those opinions are, the more tolerant the propaganda system seems, and the more long living the system is. Socialists could learn a thing or two from their favorite intellectual. They would actually get more audiences. Not me. But plenty more Americans would subscribe to it.
There are different kinds of socialism aside from authoritarian state socialism. There is social democracy, which despite arguments to the contrary IMO is a form of socialism despite it having a place for capitalism as well. There's also cooperative economics which is more or less privatized communism.
There are different kinds of socialism aside from authoritarian state socialism. There is social democracy, which despite arguments to the contrary IMO is a form of socialism despite it having a place for capitalism as well. There's also cooperative economics which is more or less privatized communism.
The posterior side she is a socialist. The US already has many elements of authoritarian state socialism. It is not worth the differentiating socialism from democratic socialism or social democracy. They have similar goals and similar results. There is also no such thing as "privatized communism. " communism cannot be privatized. Socialists like that poster tirelessly get lipservice to democracy all the while telling people that people don't know better then the socialists about what's good for people. So the logic is you cannot let people choose you have to choose for them. You want democracy but you don't want people to decide.
As I said in another post, the majority of people in the survey identify themselves as capitalists. So what is it that socialists here claim that they represent the so-called public interest? What public interest are they talking about? What public other representing? What majority are they serving?
I'm by definition, a capitalist, however, true capitalism and true socialism SHOULD NOT exist in any form. The best model is one that combines capitalism with a "form" of socialism, to create a system that "works" for everybody looking to get ahead in a free market system.
The US is this type of model I describe, but capitalism is getting squeezed out more and more as we go along through regulations and higher taxes which move income from one sector to another by the way of the government.
I'm by definition, a capitalist, however, true capitalism and true socialism SHOULD NOT exist in any form. The best model is one that combines capitalism with a "form" of socialism, to create a system that "works" for everybody looking to get ahead in a free market system.
The US is this type of model I describe, but capitalism is getting squeezed out more and more as we go along through regulations and higher taxes which move income from one sector to another by the way of the government.
I hear ya. The thing is capitalism is changing in globalization.these days we have to compete for jobs with the global workforce and we're also competing with emerging markets. Many of these markets are bigger for some products Than us already. Your words, the workplace has become a lot more competitive.at the same time Americans have subscribed to the left and it's idealistic and ideological stance. A lot of Americans have being parented by the government, told illusions, promised things that cannot be delivered. The economy and workplace was quietly but steadily evolving into a competitive global workplace. During that time, Americans were not aware and had not caught up with these changes.is that, American sort of assumed that they were still living in an era of abundance and material wealth, that they have the luxury of caring about these other social and ideological concerns whether their own economic competitiveness and ultimately survival.reality has shown that today Americans must prioritize their economic survival and prosperity. They do not have much left.
The left is pushing for endless social programs and adding spending all over the place without considering the implications on the average taxpayer and the future of our fiscal health. The Rich are indeed not pay much tax. But inside team and he is a classic strategy that is not constructive. It is human nature to be envious and to feel self-righteous but it ignores the bigger picture of the global economic transformation. Jobs are overseas and competition is fierce not because Rich people did not pay tax but because global economy is this way. Emerging markets such as China and India are and will put increasing pressure on the United States to produce and to compete and to deliver. What people don't realize is that the loft has done every bit as much damage to this country's future. It's programs are self perpetuating the very problems these programs are supposed to dress and solve. It kills the incentives for working hard and innovating. It rewards little aspiration people to remain low and comfortable without making the effort to walk out of welfare dependence. It is not helping people to escape poverty in brother makes people feel cozy in poverty, which is not what social welfare was designed to do at the first place. Many Americans even seriously float the idea that somehow Americans no longer have to work hard, that we could go hiking all day and enjoy the fruits of our existing innovation. This is a complete misunderstanding of human history and economics. If anything we are in the very opposite situation. we need to work hard it was order to compete and survive and retain our quality of life. We must realize that it is more difficult today but it is not impossible to do. But one thing is for sure. If we no longer want to work hard, the future is definitely going to be dismal to us. Stop living in denial and start planning for your future is the best and the right way today.
We In the United states were prosperous primarily because of national economic boundaries. It was not because somehow we were smarter or more superior. You have seen Americans are not as good at numbers and studies Americans suck at so many things. It was the national economic boundaries and globalization has torn down exactly that. Jobs go over to other countries while their high skilled and low skilled workers come to America in search of opportunities and handouts. The left does not want national economic boundaries for its agenda in race and culture. It's problem is that it approaches nearly every problem from this perspective which ignores supply and demand and the economic side of things in general. Many ways the left has always been a shooting itself in the foot well looking like a fashionable winner. Well the left political correctness fashion has become dominant in our national discourse, it's goals and agendas have also become more and more difficult to accomplish.
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The posterior side she is a socialist. The US already has many elements of authoritarian state socialism. It is not worth the differentiating socialism from democratic socialism or social democracy. They have similar goals and similar results. There is also no such thing as "privatized communism. " communism cannot be privatized. Socialists like that poster tirelessly get lipservice to democracy all the while telling people that people don't know better then the socialists about what's good for people. So the logic is you cannot let people choose you have to choose for them. You want democracy but you don't want people to decide.
As I said in another post, the majority of people in the survey identify themselves as capitalists. So what is it that socialists here claim that they represent the so-called public interest? What public interest are they talking about? What public other representing? What majority are they serving?
Rush L says 20% believe in socialism-sounds about right to me.
How these people have taken over the country is a Mystery.
How Bernie Sanders a self proclaimed socialsist got to such high office is a stain to his states population...lol.
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