Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
TL;DR These businesses that you're saying will leave... you're saying that like if they do, rivers will run red with blood, and Nazis will ride on dinosaurs. The truth is, these businesses aren't doing anything meaningful for the area. Much like how an employer shouldn't be keeping a poor employee on the payroll just so that he can continue working for them, CA shouldn't try to save every business. Not all of them are worth saving. There's plenty of businesses left.
Not doing anything meaningful ? Providing services and products to the community isn't meaningful ?
Also comparing Ford Motor company back in the day to a small business today is something different .
You say the employer shouldn't keep an employee on the payroll just so they can work for them ?
Are they better off on the streets then with no job ? That doesn't seem like a better option
Nobody is saying that CA should save every business , small business aren't asking to be saved or " bailed out".
It seems like these small businesses don't mean much but they add up and most people actually work for small businesses . It's shocking that people would have the attitude of " screw em"
Not doing anything meaningful ? Providing services and products to the community isn't meaningful ?
If the local economy can't sustain them, then they really aren't meaningful. Some examples...
We don't need a Starbucks on every corner.
If there are too many Thai places, then there may not be enough spending from the local community to support them.
If more people prefer to buy electronics online, then Radio Shack isn't really doing anybody any good
If people prefer to rent DVDs online, or can stream movies from the internet, then Blockbuster isn't going to be sticking around to help themselves, let alone others.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jm1982
Also comparing Ford Motor company back in the day to a small business today is something different .
You say the employer shouldn't keep an employee on the payroll just so they can work for them ?
Are they better off on the streets then with no job ? That doesn't seem like a better option
So here's the post you're referring to....
"Poor employee" as in poor performing employee. I can see how that may have been construed as something different due to the wording.
TL;DR These businesses that you're saying will leave... you're saying that like if they do, rivers will run red with blood, and Nazis will ride on dinosaurs. The truth is, these businesses aren't doing anything meaningful for the area. Much like how an employer shouldn't be keeping a poor employee on the payroll just so that he can continue working for them, CA shouldn't try to save every business. Not all of them are worth saving. There's plenty of businesses left.
Again, if a business can't innovate to stay in business, they shouldn't be around, much like with lousy employees.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jm1982
Nobody is saying that CA should save every business , small business aren't asking to be saved or " bailed out".
It seems like these small businesses don't mean much but they add up and most people actually work for small businesses . It's shocking that people would have the attitude of " screw em"
The irony is you're saying "screw em" to the same workers you're supposedly trying to help by keeping MW stagnant. Other costs have risen. The argument "if MW goes up, so will everything else" doesn't hold water.
Besides, many C-D folks have the attitude that MW jobs can't and were never meant to provide people with a living because the pay is too low. Yet, you're pushing to keep them around. Again, it's like keeping around a lousy employee. Why would you do that? Get rid of the lousy businesses.
If the local economy can't sustain them, then they really aren't meaningful. Some examples...
We don't need a Starbucks on every corner.
If there are too many Thai places, then there may not be enough spending from the local community to support them.
If more people prefer to buy electronics online, then Radio Shack isn't really doing anybody any good
If people prefer to rent DVDs online, or can stream movies from the internet, then Blockbuster isn't going to be sticking around to help themselves, let alone others.
So here's the post you're referring to....
"Poor employee" as in poor performing employee. I can see how that may have been construed as something different due to the wording.
Again, if a business can't innovate to stay in business, they shouldn't be around, much like with lousy employees.
The irony is you're saying "screw em" to the same workers you're supposedly trying to help by keeping MW stagnant. Other costs have risen. The argument "if MW goes up, so will everything else" doesn't hold water.
Besides, many C-D folks have the attitude that MW jobs can't and were never meant to provide people with a living because the pay is too low. Yet, you're pushing to keep them around. Again, it's like keeping around a lousy employee. Why would you do that? Get rid of the lousy businesses.
Profit margins are small on many of these businesses it's just the nature of the business.
It's not about being able to innovate there are industry averages.
A 50% hike in labor is very considerable and puts many businesses at risk.
Imagine if rent went up 50% in 4 years, you don't think people would be upset? It's kind of the same thing.
The argument of being able to innovate if you are talking about a burger place, a pizza place , etc doesn't make much sense. It's not like it's a tech company.
Sure you could say well those places should be replaced with "good" businesses like Tech companies. Sure but then none of those people working minimum wage will have the skills to work there.
Profit margins are small on many of these businesses it's just the nature of the business.
It's not about being able to innovate there are industry averages.
A 50% hike in labor is very considerable and puts many businesses at risk.
Imagine if rent went up 50% in 4 years, you don't think people would be upset? It's kind of the same thing.
The argument of being able to innovate if you are talking about a burger place, a pizza place , etc doesn't make much sense. It's not like it's a tech company.
Sure you could say well those places should be replaced with "good" businesses like Tech companies. Sure but then none of those people working minimum wage will have the skills to work there.
If your profit margins are low you why is that the employees fault? Seems it is more about business owners who do not know how to grow a business. Especially if they are hiring more employees then there budget can handle.
The U.S. must be the only country on earth so in love with plutocracy that people argue for LOWER wages.
You people are unbelievable, acting as if a job is a form of welfare. You set up a no-win situation. The only way to get out of minimum wage work is education, but states around the country are cutting it. If you don't want minimum wage then you should be FOR tuition-free college; or at the very least tuition-free community college. But no, people don't want to pay taxes for that. So the existing workers say "give us a higher wage so we can pay our bills" and people say no.
I am not arguing for lowering wages. But I am against raising wages.
I am on pension. My pension equals the current Minimum-Wage. Where we live my income puts us in the upper 40% of household incomes. Many of our neighbors are on SS or SSDI earning $600 to $800/month, we are doing okay. Nobody is starving this is a low cost and low tax region.
If you double the Minimum-Wage, the hyper-inflation that will cause will sink many of us.
Every place you go to; when wages are higher the COL is higher.
Regions with lower wages have lower COL.
You have proof that one causes the other? Do you know that there are more things then wages that cause high cost of living. Wages have to raised to catch up with cost of living.
Wendy’s (WEN) said that self-service ordering kiosks will be made available across its 6,000-plus restaurants in the second half of the year as minimum wage hikes and a tight labor market push up wages. It will be up to franchisees whether to deploy the labor-saving technology, but Wendy’s President Todd Penegor did note that some franchise locations have been raising prices to offset wage hikes.
You have proof that one causes the other? Do you know that there are more things then wages that cause high cost of living. Wages have to raised to catch up with cost of living.
Nothing can ever prove anything to those with closed minds. I did see this happen year on end when I grew up. I lived in the Washington DC suburbs. Whenever Federal pay scales increased, the cost of living in the area went up. The association between regional wages and regional cost of living is rock solid. If wages go up, then costs of the goods or services that come from those wages will need to increase. It also works in the opposite direction. If an area becomes more expensive to live in, then wages will need to go up or people will be forced to move out of the area.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
