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View Poll Results: Is deindustrialization bad or good for the United States.
Bad 40 74.07%
Good 14 25.93%
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Old 05-13-2016, 09:33 PM
 
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When I think of Carrier shutting down its Indianapolis operations, I think "deindustrialization" and not in a positive way.

Good paying jobs leaving for Mexico.

It would be well and good if every country was on the same playing field in terms of environmental laws, OSHA programs, wages etc.

But that's not the case. So how does an American earning $20 an hour compete with a Mexican earning $16 a day?


I agree with one of the posters who said we need an national industrial policy to encourage and keep industrial jobs here.
I just repped you for this and I must say that Mexican workers are indeed disgustingly oppressed and they themselves are fighting for a union.
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Old 05-19-2016, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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What the workers of the world really need is the IWW. The "One Big Union" would spread the wealth from the owners to the workers and that would be a very good thing.
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Old 05-19-2016, 04:43 PM
 
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What the workers of the world really need is the IWW. The "One Big Union" would spread the wealth from the owners to the workers and that would be a very good thing.
Well said my friend, and one thing that has caused the US economy to deteriorate is all these anti-union tactics by many politicians.
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Old 05-19-2016, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Solidarity. Now and forever. Jim hill never died.
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Old 05-21-2016, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Solidarity. Now and forever. Jim hill never died.
But the unions did. And CEOs claim America cannot compete. So I'm not sure who really won in the end.
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Old 05-23-2016, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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It is good if you have been into industrialization with great success!

Time to move on to knowledge-based economy where country is being paid for it's topnotch innovations and developments that will improve lives of the humanity!
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Old 06-10-2016, 04:29 PM
 
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It is good if you have been into industrialization with great success!

Time to move on to knowledge-based economy where country is being paid for it's topnotch innovations and developments that will improve lives of the humanity!
Yet not everybody is qualified to work a knowledge based job.
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Old 06-10-2016, 04:31 PM
 
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Deindustrialization is an inherent good, and is sorely needed.

This doesn't mean we can't forge new grounds and employ millions
in new projects. It means those efforts should look forward to the
21st Century, utilizing technologies that help us live more harmoniously.
Konstantin Meyl, Paul La Violette, etc.
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Old 06-10-2016, 06:23 PM
 
Location: Spain
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I see maybe? The Scandinavians work for each other instead of against each other. How un-American.
I'll take ridiculous broad generalizations for $200 Alex.

That other post gushing about how they don't have government inefficiencies was pretty funny but you've raised the bar enough that we might as well declare a winner and in this thing early.
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Old 06-11-2016, 07:01 PM
 
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If enough jobs that are at least equal in quality (pay, benefits, working conditions...) can be created to replace the old industrial ones, it is a positive force. A lot of industrial cities were badly polluted. The problem is that the jobs have not been replaced. You see blight and high crime in Detroit, half the population of many southern towns on disability, depopulation of western towns.
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