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Old 06-14-2016, 02:10 PM
 
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Because the post of yours I quoted was, well no words describe how, Hell I don't even have words being unable to describe it. I'm still trying to figure out your point using the figures you used. Anyone making more than $38K uses the extra money on luxuries? You actually said that.
No, I did not. I said that if a family can live on $38k, then with $50k they could spend $10k/year on college bills if they did not purchase added luxuries. Of course if said family cannot make do on $38k due to HCOL area, debt, too many kids, or other reasons that is another matter entirely.
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Old 06-14-2016, 02:15 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Even $50K isn't the national median.


Your $38K/year is $19/hour, only $4/hour above the new "living wage", for which I believe you've been an advocate.


It's also a few thousand dollars below the cutoff in much of the country for kids receiving Free And Reduced Meals at school, which is around $40K or so.




You're still in school, yes?
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Old 06-15-2016, 05:48 AM
 
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Here's Exactly How Much the Government Would Have to Spend to Make Public College Tuition-Free - The Atlantic

Interesting study.

What I don't understand is that there seems to be the attitude that if a family is middle class they should be able to afford college and if they aren't the free ride is ok. I'm just not buying that logic.
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Old 06-15-2016, 06:53 AM
 
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Here's Exactly How Much the Government Would Have to Spend to Make Public College Tuition-Free - The Atlantic

Interesting study.

What I don't understand is that there seems to be the attitude that if a family is middle class they should be able to afford college and if they aren't the free ride is ok. I'm just not buying that logic.
The issue isn't providing free or reduced tuition to those who cannot afford it... the issue is that the government should not be involved. Universities already give generous financial aid packages.
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Old 06-15-2016, 10:26 AM
 
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Even $50K isn't the national median.


Your $38K/year is $19/hour, only $4/hour above the new "living wage", for which I believe you've been an advocate.


It's also a few thousand dollars below the cutoff in much of the country for kids receiving Free And Reduced Meals at school, which is around $40K or so.




You're still in school, yes?
I never advocated a $15/hour minimum wage, and the other issues depend on number of kids/household size. I certainly wouldn't expect a family with 3+ kids to make do on $38k. And yes I am still in grad school but the "umbilical cord" was cut long ago, I am working through it.
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Old 06-16-2016, 09:58 AM
 
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The issue isn't providing free or reduced tuition to those who cannot afford it... the issue is that the government should not be involved. Universities already give generous financial aid packages.
You mean "Universities with fat endowments already give generous financial aid packages.".
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Old 06-16-2016, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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At the end of the day, we have far too much college/university capacity in the USA, which in turn devalues the BA/BS degree for all (except for those who attend elite schools).

The solution is to shrink capacity. Many colleges and universities need to close. It will be painful for those affected, but better for all in the long run.
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Old 06-16-2016, 01:16 PM
 
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At the end of the day, we have far too much college/university capacity in the USA, which in turn devalues the BA/BS degree for all (except for those who attend elite schools).

The solution is to shrink capacity. Many colleges and universities need to close. It will be painful for those affected, but better for all in the long run.
Who knows? With automation almost anything is possible...
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Old 06-16-2016, 05:19 PM
 
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At the end of the day, we have far too much college/university capacity in the USA, which in turn devalues the BA/BS degree for all (except for those who attend elite schools).

The solution is to shrink capacity. Many colleges and universities need to close. It will be painful for those affected, but better for all in the long run.
Agreed.

Not only that we have too much of energy, labor, shopping malls, fast food joints, cars, consumer electronics...etc. i mean everything.

Next recession in a way will be very healthy to clear all this surplus.
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Old 06-16-2016, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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At the end of the day, we have far too much college/university capacity in the USA, which in turn devalues the BA/BS degree for all (except for those who attend elite schools).

The solution is to shrink capacity. Many colleges and universities need to close. It will be painful for those affected, but better for all in the long run.
Wish 2 is a credible source that we have too much college capacity.

Wish 3 is a credible place for those displaced to go.
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