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Old 12-08-2017, 08:21 AM
 
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Again, it's not that the mom and pop shops treat their employees any better. It's the fact that people are funneling a large chunk of money at one company (Walmart) and keeps the money from being spread around and kills off all the competition. People are actively asking for a Walmart monopoly and I cannot support that.

So you go ahead and add to the downfall of America and help make the Walton family even richer, I'll support businesses that actually DESERVE my patronage and need my support. I don't see the need to throw money at a company that makes way more than it knows what to do with and ships our jobs overseas while companies that do things here in America are suffering at the hands of walmart. And it's not only the companies fault, it's the stupid American peoples fault because they'd rather save 5 cents on something buying it at walmart than support their neighbors who actually have a vested interest in the community, besides destroying all the local businesses.

In other words, I'm voting with my dollar and not giving walmart a dime of more blood money. I'll gladly pay more for the same product elsewhere just to keep my money out of walmarts grubby hands!
LOL. I have a mom & pop store a block away from one of the largest Walmarts in the country.

And I shop at Walmart all the time, 90% of my groceries come from there. And Walmart employees come shop at my shop. So I guess you could say that I get some of that Walmart family money back. And I get to keep more of my profits by spending less on groceries.

I carry some of the same items that Walmart does. It's not junk. We buy from many of the same companies at the same trade shows. Sometimes my prices are better, sometimes their price is. I don't really care what they do.

Many times they'll refer customers to my store. And there are some things I won't stock because I know Walmart has a great collection in that category. So I'll refer customers over to Walmart.

And yes, they have better benefits for their employees than I can get for my employees. My pay is a bit higher, but not much, they pay very well for retail. I'm glad so many people in our community are employed by Walmart, it's a great thing. I'm happy to shop at Walmart so those neighbors keep their jobs.
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Old 12-08-2017, 08:37 AM
 
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Again, it's not that the mom and pop shops treat their employees any better. It's the fact that people are funneling a large chunk of money at one company (Walmart) and keeps the money from being spread around and kills off all the competition. People are actively asking for a Walmart monopoly and I cannot support that.
You're hung about the size of the company but it's all proportional. They have more stores thus more employees earning wages. Walmart has a lot more stock issued so it is effectively distributed among more owners. You too could own a piece of Walmart and be the recipient of dividends. What's the effective difference between one company that earns $1 million and employs 1000 people per day versus 10 companies that each earn $100k and employs 100 people per day?
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Old 12-08-2017, 01:02 PM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, 615' Elevation, Zone 8b - originally from SF Bay Area
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I have not seen a new Walmart come in and kill off any other stores. I have seen that happen with Home Depot, who pays less than Walmart. When our nearest H.D. came in (1990s) my favorite small, private lumber yard went out of business, along with a small neighborhood hardware store and a tile store. I don't know why people love to blame Walmart for ruining the lives of their employees (who wouldn't have a job and benefits without Walmart).
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Old 12-08-2017, 01:14 PM
 
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In our small town of 50K Walmart, Lowes and HD all came in and some small businesses were displaced. Better for the community in general, bad for those displaced.
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Old 12-08-2017, 01:34 PM
 
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I have not seen a new Walmart come in and kill off any other stores. I have seen that happen with Home Depot, who pays less than Walmart. When our nearest H.D. came in (1990s) my favorite small, private lumber yard went out of business, along with a small neighborhood hardware store and a tile store. I don't know why people love to blame Walmart for ruining the lives of their employees (who wouldn't have a job and benefits without Walmart).

We had a local leader who always liked to say that Walmart killed all of the local businesses. So after hearing that a dozen times, I asked him what businesses were killed by Walmart. He listed out ten businesses that closed due to Walmart. The only problem was that nine of the ten stores on his list closed 3-5 years BEFORE Walmart ever had a store within 50 miles.

I believe that the major supermarket chains did displace a lot of businesses like milk delivery, bakeries, butcher shops and the like. however, i do not see many clamoring for the return of the days where you had to go to eight locations to buy your groceries.
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Old 12-08-2017, 02:43 PM
 
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I have not seen a new Walmart come in and kill off any other stores. I have seen that happen with Home Depot, who pays less than Walmart. .....
When I moved into my neighborhood many years ago, the only home center has called Rickles. It was a miserable store, poorly stocked and overpriced. Fortunately HD arrived and that was the end of Rickles. I don't know about salaries, but HD hired lots of very knowledgeable retired craftsmen. Help and service were excellent in addition to the huge inventory and reasonable prices.


Walmart has not been at all successful in my area. They have probably helped keep prices down, but there are many large and more successful grocery stores. Walmart is also outdone by the Costco stores. For home goods, Walmart has to compete with BB&B and many other stores. Walmart has not tried to build a supercenter but has really seedy looking stores that do reasonably well based solely on low priced goods. I have seen many urban and suburban areas where this is the case.
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Old 12-08-2017, 03:08 PM
 
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Why do so many people only care about cost when making a purchase? Screw quality, screw fair wages, screw clean, safe working conditions! Gimme those Asian, child labor, sweatshop goods for pennies on the dollar!
WOW! The Socialist party is alive and well in CD.

FYI, I only go unto WallyWorld to buy ammo (Great prices) Just bought 2000 rounds of 9mm, 1000 rounds of 40 cal and 2000 rounds of .223, all less expensive than on-line and made in the good old US of A
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Old 12-08-2017, 03:11 PM
 
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WOW! The Socialist party is alive and well in CD.
Actually he's advocating the same stuff Trump has been advocating in terms of globalization and trade. Is Trump a socialist now?

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Old 12-08-2017, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Texas
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The American people are to blame for job outsourcing because all they want is the cheapest possible thing at whatever “cost”. They’d rather have something made by some 10 year old in a sweatshop in Asia because it’s cheaper than the goods made legally here in America. They’ll cut their own throats in order to save a nickel!!
This is my pet peeve too.


I know some people are truly ignorant of how much human suffering is required so they can buy a $10 "designer" shirt from Ross or Marshall's. They'll brag about how cheap it was.


I buy most things second hand or USA made. I also look at the quality. That dress at Ross may have poor stitching or buttons falling off. That means it's poor quality and was poorly made. It's also a known fact that many designers make cheaper versions of their clothing to go directly to outlet stores. So you might get a cheap Pierre Cardin shirt at Ross but it's going to have more polyester in it or lack some of the finer details.


Due to all this, there is no shortage of clothing - even third world countries have enough clothing now (although they may lack water, food, healthcare - the things that really matter).


As for Wal Mart, they aren't the only business out there that does unethical things or sells sweat shop labor produced clothing.
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Old 12-08-2017, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Texas
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they are pocketing the profits either way. its the consumers that are saving when they outsource. the "blame" rests on the consumers/government, not the companies.
It's actually all 3. Consumers, the government and businesses all have a role in this, one way or the other.
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