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Old 05-26-2018, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Post Fail.
There are millions trying to get into Socialist Countries and Communist Countries as well.

I'll take your 1 million and raise you 2.85 million.
The number trying to break into Communist China for employment.



https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/i...ration-policy/
Logic fail.

America has 11 million illegal immigrants right now.

I take your 2.85 million and raise you 11 million illegal immigrants who have no plans of ever leaving this country.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...on-in-the-u-s/

Gee, not bad for such a “terrible country” of unemployment, poverty, and homelessness if 11 million people are fine with illegally living in it.

The success of trickle down economics ensures that even poor illegal immigrants will have a far better quality of life than in any socialist/communist country, hence the 11 million people staying.

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Old 05-26-2018, 02:52 PM
 
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Logic fail.

America has 11 million illegal immigrants right now.
You have heard of the old saying, don't feed the bears?
Well, in America, the cheap labor express encourages it.

Both parties are in the pockets of Wall Street and Big Business so they have 0 problems with it.

In broad daylight, in this country, for years, illegal day labors would wait around to be hired at parking lots through out the country.

In other countries, they have to do it underground and hidden.
China and Mexico have dire consequences for those caught illegally in the country.

The numbers would be a lot higher in other countries if they were able to sit around freely in parking lots waiting to be hired.


http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/...reign-workers/

http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbyi...migration-push

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...nce-government
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Old 05-26-2018, 02:58 PM
 
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Logic fail.

America has 11 million illegal immigrants right now.

I take your 2.85 million and raise you 11 million illegal immigrants who have no plans of ever leaving this country.

5 facts about illegal immigration in the U.S. | Pew Research Center

Gee, not bad for such a “terrible country” of unemployment, poverty, and homelessness if 11 million people are fine with illegally living in it.

The success of trickle down economics ensures that even poor illegal immigrants will have a far better quality of life than in any socialist/communist country, hence the 11 million people staying.
Everything is inflated to enrich the wealthy and punish everyone else.

How come we do not have a free market for housing?
Get rid of zoning, fees, regulations, foreign buyers, banking scams, house flippers, investors and so on.

Let anyone plop down a tin shack in a wealthy neighborhood and watch the free market in action lower prices.
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Old 05-26-2018, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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Sweet lists, not one country listed has zero poverty, unemployment, and homelessness like I specifically asked for.

Sad to say your copy and paste effort was done in vain.

Bottom line, every country on earth has unemployment, poverty, and homelessness. If it was such a big deal in America then surely the 1 million people who plan to get their green card every year, effectively becoming a full citizen, would cancel their application.

Wealth goes to those who create it. You don’t punish them for it.
Your 1 million number sounds impressive, until you learn that 9 million Americans are living and working in other countries.

I see, if there is one unemployed person, one homeless person, or one poor person in another country, it proves they are no better than us. Great logic.

Qatar has virtually no unemployment, Japan has virtually no homelessness, and Taiwan has virtually no poverty. So yes it is possible to come close to zero on those numbers. A few people slipping through the cracks is one thing. But the supposed #1 greatest economic superpower in the world, existing with a half a million homeless people on it's streets, 40 million people getting government handouts just to eat, and even more people living in poverty, is not a great success story.
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Old 05-26-2018, 04:55 PM
 
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Your 1 million number sounds impressive, until you learn that 9 million Americans are living and working in other countries.

I see, if there is one unemployed person, one homeless person, or one poor person in another country, it proves they are no better than us. Great logic.

Qatar has virtually no unemployment, Japan has virtually no homelessness, and Taiwan has virtually no poverty. So yes it is possible to come close to zero on those numbers. A few people slipping through the cracks is one thing. But the supposed #1 greatest economic superpower in the world, existing with a half a million homeless people on it's streets, 40 million people getting government handouts just to eat, and even more people living in poverty, is not a great success story.
Qatar is your great example? That’s a country with less people than the city of Chicago....with an economy entirely built on oil and natural gas exports. A rare rare outlier. It’s gdp is 152 billion dollars....Chicago alone is estimated at north of 680 billion.

Qatar isn’t a national economic competitor of the United States....they’re a country with the GDP of a second or third tier city like Indianapolis or Pittsburgh. We have single Fortune 500 companies with revenue larger than their economy....

The United States is economically dominant across many fields and is one of the most diverse economies in the world. We have the deepest capital markets in the world. Qatar is a one trick pony living off a single resource. A resource that could run out or become obsolete.

And if you think it’s so great there, why don’t you head on over? Apparently 94 percent of their workforce are foreign nationals....no doubt drawn there to extract oil wealth.

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Old 05-26-2018, 05:43 PM
 
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with an economy entirely built on oil and natural gas exports. A rare rare outlier. It’s gdp is 152 billion dollars....
if you want to bring oil into the conversation, It gets even better with our country.
Ever heard of the Petro Dollar?

How well would our country do without the Petro Dollar?

Why do we need such a big military to protect it and to protect Globalist Corporation Trade Routes if Capitalism is so great? Why don't global corporations protect themselves rather than rely on nationalist tax payers to protect them?

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The United States is economically dominant across many fields and is one of the most diverse economies in the world.
Then why do we need cheap labor and outsourcing from other countries then if we can do it all ourselves?

Here is a couple question for you:

1) What are business owners and workers rights under Theoretical Capitalism?
2) What are business owners and workers rights under Theoretical Communism?

3) What are business owners and workers rights under Current Day Capitalist America?
4) What are business owners and workers rights under Current Day Communist China?

The founding fathers supported Unions and workers rights.
Current day American Capitalism frowns on Unions, Unions are also outlawed in Communist China.

Under Communism, there are no privately owned business.
Under Communist China, private business is allowed.

Do you see the conundrum?

In Capitalism, you have the workers, consumers and business owners working in freedom.
With China, all the freedom goes to the business owners and none to the workers.
This is a major reason for the wealth inequality in this country where many have gotten rich off the backs of Communism where workers have no rights, yet business owners are allowed to own their own business.

Meanwhile, business is busy killing off unions in this country, they want all the power for themselves.
There need to be dire consequences for this.
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Old 05-26-2018, 06:05 PM
 
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Yes, I’m aware of the petroleum dollar and the need for over 1000 foreign military bases. Obviously a strong dollar relies on a strong military and a strong military relies on a strong dollar. It used to be the same way in olden times. Compel foreign nations to subsidize the one with the military might to control gold. Today, it’s those who control the monetary printing presses. American empire is far more effective than the British colonies because we can extract real wealth like labor and natural resources with depreciating dollars.

“Who controls the food supply can control the people. Control energy and you can control continents. Control money and you can control the world.” Henry Kissinger

However, America did just fine prior to the petro dollar considering it rose to overtake the British empires economy in the 1890s. It also played at least an equal part in winning world war 2 and set up the post war bretton woods system prior to the petro dollar in 1971. The only reason the petro dollar exists is because the American economy engulfed all others and we got to dictate the world order from a position that was already dominant.
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Old 05-26-2018, 07:15 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Qatar is your great example? That’s a country with less people than the city of Chicago....with an economy entirely built on oil and natural gas exports. A rare rare outlier. It’s gdp is 152 billion dollars....Chicago alone is estimated at north of 680 billion.

Qatar isn’t a national economic competitor of the United States....they’re a country with the GDP of a second or third tier city like Indianapolis or Pittsburgh. We have single Fortune 500 companies with revenue larger than their economy....

The United States is economically dominant across many fields and is one of the most diverse economies in the world. We have the deepest capital markets in the world. Qatar is a one trick pony living off a single resource. A resource that could run out or become obsolete.

And if you think it’s so great there, why don’t you head on over? Apparently 94 percent of their workforce are foreign nationals....no doubt drawn there to extract oil wealth.
Excellent post and well said. I always laugh when people compare small or homogenous countries to a superpower, the richest county with the highest quality of life, most innovative country, and one with the most immigrants by percentage of any country which makes us the most diverse.

I’m convinced that despite America’s endless opportunities to succeed, someone will always complain as long as they don’t have the biggest house or nicest car in their neighborhood.

Isn’t it ironic. Americans complaining about capitalism and living in America when immigrant die to get here every year.
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Old 05-26-2018, 07:22 PM
 
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Yes, I’m aware of the petroleum dollar and the need for over 1000 foreign military bases. Obviously a strong dollar relies on a strong military and a strong military relies on a strong dollar. It used to be the same way in olden times. Compel foreign nations to subsidize the one with the military might to control gold. Today, it’s those who control the monetary printing presses. American empire is far more effective than the British colonies because we can extract real wealth like labor and natural resources with depreciating dollars.

“Who controls the food supply can control the people. Control energy and you can control continents. Control money and you can control the world.” Henry Kissinger

However, America did just fine prior to the petro dollar considering it rose to overtake the British empires economy in the 1890s. It also played at least an equal part in winning world war 2 and set up the post war bretton woods system prior to the petro dollar in 1971. The only reason the petro dollar exists is because the American economy engulfed all others and we got to dictate the world order from a position that was already dominant.
Thanks.
I think we have found a post we can share some ground on.

In times past with empires, they conquered foreign lands, stole their resources and exploited the labor in those countries.

The age old problem though was the locals would always fight back to gain their independence.

We got around that with fiat paper, the petro dollar, and loans that they "could not refuse" backed by our military.

We saddled their country with debt via Usurious loans, corrupt deals with corporations to locate there and this is the way we have played the game now for years.

The only problem though, these same jackals are now effecting the local populace in America with their policies to enrich their-selves off globalism.

I have absolutely 0 sympathy when people attack them!
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Old 05-26-2018, 07:35 PM
 
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Wow, someone better warn the 1,000,000 willingly legal immigrants to the U.S. every year of this tragic capitalism.

If you don’t work hard you end up homeless, unemployed or poor. Imagine that.

Care to tell us which country has 0 homeless, unemployed, and poor people? We’ll wait.


The ability for corporations to make money has nothing to do with the the inability of poor people to go to college or find a job.

Last I checked, none of us were born rich.
You must be rich.
And yes, some people ARE born rich (Born to rich families whose parents give them lots of money.) In fact most rich people I know were born into it.

Some people get rich due to hard work, others are just lucky, others inherit it.

There are plenty of lower middle class people who worked hard and got good educations but did not end up rich.

You seem to be unwilling to factor in how the U.S. system is one in which "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer" and it's impossible for everyone to be rich. Who will work as laborers, who will drive the garbage trucks, etc?

By the way the reason millions of college educated people cannot find work is because millions of jobs were shipped overseas in the last decade or two, and good jobs are hard to come by in a system where companies hire only daily hires; i.e.; workers who can be let go for any reason at any time, no or few benefits and no job security.

When my dad was young it was a world where you worked hard and you got ahead. That world has not existed for many many years. Now SOME get ahead if they work hard and/or get a good education, and many who do the same never get ahead. This is the world we created.
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