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Old 12-18-2018, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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I don't know why a free market can't be barter based. And I don't know why free markets have to have moneyed investments.
Because that's what it is:
Free markets-
an economic system in which prices are determined by unrestricted competition between privately owned businesses.

Private property is a modern invention meant to accumulate wealth into the hands of a few large organizations. There is a reason old societies weren't called free market capitalism.
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Old 12-18-2018, 01:05 PM
 
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Because that's what it is:
Free markets-
an economic system in which prices are determined by unrestricted competition between privately owned businesses.

Private property is a modern invention meant to accumulate wealth into the hands of a few large organizations. There is a reason old societies weren't called free market capitalism.
Ah, free market capitalism. OK.
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Old 12-18-2018, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Corona the I.E.
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Economically illiterate comment. The "Tulip Bubble/Bust" occurred nearly 400 years ago in an era of very low information, cold weather and on another continent.

Thanks for playing.
Sorry your lens doesn't allow you to see the comparisons. Your points are frankly irrelevant. What does continent have to do with anything?

I trade with AI, machine learning, and yes history. Only fools don't learn from history.

And I don't generally respond to trolls but why not this time.

Have fun with your E Trade account
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Old 12-19-2018, 05:08 AM
 
Location: Spain
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You rang? In 1918 you could buy a cow with a $20 gold piece. Today you can buy a cow with that same $20 gold piece. A $20 bill will get you about 4 pounds of good hamburg; so what has changed? The real values of the gold piece and cow have not changed. The Federal Reserve is two lies in one term. It is not federal and there is no reserve.
This is a silly way to try to make a point, I could just as easily bring up something like a television or clothing that required a lot more in equivalent gold to buy back in the day than today and say the opposite.
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Old 12-19-2018, 06:04 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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This is a silly way to try to make a point, I could just as easily bring up something like a television or clothing that required a lot more in equivalent gold to buy back in the day than today and say the opposite.
Money is an artificial value inflated by the feds and investors who are hoping to use goods as storage for value (like houses to even cattle). None of it has to do with function or desire, it is all a frauds game.
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Old 12-19-2018, 06:12 AM
 
Location: Northern Maine
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Panama uses our dollar. They have their own coins which are the same size and weight as our coins, but the cash is US dollars. I expect there are other economies where the dollar is more stable than the local currency.
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Old 12-19-2018, 06:23 AM
 
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Not only does Bitcoin have no intrinsic, implicit value of it's own, but it uses resources (electricity) to produce. Even dollar bills do not tax the resources of the country in that way.
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Old 12-19-2018, 07:49 AM
 
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This is a silly way to try to make a point, I could just as easily bring up something like a television or clothing that required a lot more in equivalent gold to buy back in the day than today and say the opposite.
Tell these people to stop worrying so much about numbers. Worry about lifestyle and standard of living.
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Old 12-19-2018, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
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I called it when this sham first started: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft....8-8c755afbfb5d

I’ll tell you why, capitalism is a state invention and without it it cannot survive. I support a society with no currency or centralized state, but the idea that you could have a monetary system to artificially price goods and inflate prices (which is the scam that is capitalism) without violent state protection or corporate monopoly is a joke.

And as bitcoin crashes, the idea that the free markets operate naturally without state intervention dies.
Why do you think it's "failing"? It's simply falling to reflect it's real value. Early in/Early out/are the winners.
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Old 12-19-2018, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Why do you think it's "failing"? It's simply falling to reflect it's real value. Early in/Early out/are the winners.
Like stocks it is an investment, but it’s not a viable currency.

Why would vendors accept a currency that fluctuates based off of usage. It’s like going to the store and offering a stock investment that you couldn’t sell.

Oh yeah, and if bitcoin traders exchange bitcoin for state currency then they are betraying the free market method by which crypto-currency came to existance.
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