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Old 09-15-2019, 01:12 AM
 
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But not all taxpayers benefit equally. In regions with large populations of less educated, low-income immigrants, native-born residents bear significant net costs due to immigrants’ use of public services, especially education.
Yeah, it's that last statement that never makes headlines in mainstream media. And only if we're lucky do they bother to mention it at all in such articles.
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Old 09-15-2019, 04:19 AM
 
Location: World
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correction - we need high skilled immigration, the type that can contribute to production, the tax base and enhance the global competitiveness of the United States... not the type we are currently getting - people who are penniless, uneducated, illiterate and unskilled.

High skilled snatch away American Jobs, Lower the salary of working Americans.



Uneducated actually work at low salaries and provide Profits to American Corporations which actually boost the 401(K) of American Families.
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Old 09-15-2019, 07:17 AM
 
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Data, just data.

https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.ed...states-economy

Key Points

*While some policymakers have blamed immigration for slowing U.S. wage growth since the 1970s, most academic research finds little long run effect on Americans’ wages.

*The available evidence suggests that immigration leads to more innovation, a better educated workforce, greater occupational specialization, better matching of skills with jobs, and higher overall economic productivity.

*Immigration also has a net positive effect on combined federal, state, and local budgets. But not all taxpayers benefit equally. In regions with large populations of less educated, low-income immigrants, native-born residents bear significant net costs due to immigrants’ use of public services, especially education.
If native-born residents are low income also I fail to see how they can bear significant costs of immigrants’ use of public services—
They are likely benefitting from public services as well...
And if you don’t educate immigrants how do you expect them to improve their skills and stop being a “drain on public services”

You can’t have it both ways—
If you want them to improve and be a positive effect on society then education with hopefully will enable them to develope more “American” values and outlook becomes the primary tool in that effort...
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Old 09-15-2019, 07:34 AM
 
Location: 0.83 Atmospheres
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Yeah, it's that last statement that never makes headlines in mainstream media. And only if we're lucky do they bother to mention it at all in such articles.
So then it becomes a question of personal priorities. If you accept the facts, there are real societal benefits to immigration, but like anything, there are some pitfalls.

Do you draw a hard line and suffer the economic consequences of less innovation and less growth to temporarily protect a small subset of the native population?
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Old 09-15-2019, 07:40 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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The United States economy needs the right kind of immigrants.

Not the wrong kind of immigrants.
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Old 09-15-2019, 07:44 AM
 
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The United States economy needs the right kind of immigrants.

Not the wrong kind of immigrants.
Profound. Thanks for sharing.
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Old 09-15-2019, 07:51 AM
 
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Profound. Thanks for sharing.
There are some who argue there is no distinction between the 2 kinds of immigrants.

I am saying that the former is helpful to the economy and the latter is not.
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Old 09-15-2019, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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I read a survey of factory owners (in the WSJ, I think) that said about 50% of job applicants couldn't pass a substance test. Can you imagine that many people are too stupid to clean up for a couple of weeks?

Then there's the terrible K-12 education that the bottom 50% of us get, graduating high school unable to read and write English or do basic math or think critically. Taught by liberals (90% of K-12 teachers are Democrats), indoctrinated by left wing Hollywood to hate and despise businesses and the mostly white men that run them.

The population has gotten stupider, lazier, more self-centered than ever before in our history. Many of us don't even want to bother with raising children. We have no choice but to rely on immigrant labor to keep our country going.

They're going to come here, legally or not. We need to get the process under control like with Ellis Island. Take the best of the best, require that they become American and learn English, and they will be fine.
The VERY FIRST THING THAT MUST HAPPEN is our "education" system must be taken from the hands of the NEA and like-minded people who want jobs but who do not educate but brainwash kids.

The education establishment, from pre-K to post-graduate is corrupted beyond repair. It must be disassembled and rebuilt. I'd suggest the discipline and curriculum from about a century ago for starters.

That generation had knowledge and thinking ability. They weathered the Depression and won WWII and would have won the Korean War if allowed.

Today's spoiled ignorant unthinking snowflakes, (and I'm not blaming them, they're victims of a horribly corrupt, incompetent, anti-American system)--what would they do with a Depression or a war like WWII? I'll tell you what. We'd be speaking either Japanese or German, goose-stepping, and enjoying a dictatorship.
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Old 09-15-2019, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Much of today's "research" has an end goal and there is an "understanding" between the funder and the "researcher."

That is why "everyone" is on board the globaloney warming hoax and other various agitprop efforts.

Research ain't what it used to be. Today it's results-driven. Hence the "we need MORE immigration!" tilt.

Hordes of diseased unskilled unassimilating criminal-embedded seriously dysfunctional non-citizens will not make our country more successful. Look at Los Angeles to see our future if these people get their ways.
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Old 09-15-2019, 09:15 AM
 
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Someone has to work in nursing homes.
Someone has to pick strawberries.
Someone has to wash dishes in restaurants.

Guest workers, paid prison labor, and cut the food stamp budget... we'll have plenty of labor.
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