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Originally Posted by BobNJ1960
The timing of the horrible pork laden stimulus bill could not be better. WH can simply ride the pocket veto period out, and since Congressional session ends before the tenth day, they can't do an override vote.
That settles the federal side of the eviction moratorium with it ending 12-31-2020. Only a few states have enacted moratoriums extending much further.
They were called hoovervilles in the 30s, tent cities the homeless people built that is --- this time, trumpvilles.
or maybe covidvilles. oh look ...
"Phoenix’s unshaded tent city is called “The Zone” by its inhabitants. Some of them call it “Trumpville,” an echo of Depression-era shantytowns named “Hoovervilles” after President Herbert Hoover, who was accused of not doing enough to keep people sheltered."
Last edited by Ellis Bell; 12-26-2020 at 10:13 PM..
Reason: adding a link
I don't give a **** about the economics of it. I give even less of a **** about your pathetic and worthless property rights. I give a **** about keeping people from dying of coronavirus, and that is absolutely the only thing that matters.
No, we don't care one bit. Not when your "property rights" and "individual freedoms" are getting people killed.
I would abolish all of that in exchange for the 350,000 Americans killed by your stupid, pointless ideals.
These people want to see the poor die of Coronavirus.
**** your theft of property. **** your property. It's nothing compared to the death toll that's being inflicted by evictions. Each and every one of you landlords should be criminally prosecuted, sued and fined right into oblivion for the people who die of COVID-19 after being evicted.
Have I effectively communicated to you just how irrelevant your concerns are, and how completely unworthy you are of anyone's concern? What part of "human lives are more important than property rights" do you fail to comprehend?
Well, since you're a liar and it's a legit study, you can discuss this lie all by yourself. No more time will be wasted on this.
How many homeless people are you letting move in with you so that they don’t get COVID and die? if you don’t let them all move in with you, then you must want them to die, right?
Stupid question. We're trying to keep tons of people from dying of coronavirus and you're here trolling. It's glaringly obvious that the Republican-led US government is using COVID-19 as an opportunistic purge.
I would say the troll is you - you used swearing, threatened violence and made references to Nazis in your post to start the thread and then in answer to the first response you say stupid, accuse of trolling and Republicans of a purge. Your point seems to be to get a reaction and not have a discussion.
and no one could pay the tens of thousands in bills that would rack up in 2-3 years.
Its simply multiplication.
The average property tax on a routine 2 apartment/home in my town exceed $6,000. So, if we assume 18% as the interest rate the town would charge, this would be what is owed if unpaid 1/1/2024 (you said 3 years)
2021: $6k * 1.18 * 1.18 or $8,354 (not including current year interest, just future years)
PLUS
2022: $6k * 1.18 or $7,080
2023: $6k
Total taxes due 1/1/2024 after 3 yr moratorium $21,434
Will you be paying cash or credit card for the LLs, ncole1?
Interest payments should be suspended or reduced to a reasonable level comparable to what the city itself pays on its bonds. The back-taxes should be spread out, not due as a lump sum. The pain is very real but should be distributed around in such a way that no one party takes the full hit. Landlord should take some pain, tenant should take some pain, bank should take some pain, and city should take some pain. And federal government should chip in too.
There's going to be a lot of pain and budget problems one way or another. So it should be done in a way that is humane rather than being done in a way that is inhumane. Letting the eviction ban expire is forcing some tenants to pay with their lives instead of forcing lots of people to take a hit to their finances.
The bill you are talking about is artificially inflated because the tenant default rate is not 100% even under the eviction ban. You have to multiply your estimated bill by the actual increase in default rate compared to pre-pandemic times.
In reality, you have 12 million renters $5k behind. If you distribute the shortfall among 60 million Americans, it is $1k each, not $20k. you are presenting the numbers in an alarmist way to try to make the eviction ban seem much less reasonable than it really is.
Well, since you're a liar and it's a legit study, you can discuss this lie all by yourself. No more time will be wasted on this.
And you would be wrong. What you linked to is an article. If you look up the actual paper referenced, you would see that the authors merely looked at state mortality rates with different eviction moratoriums. The “study” failed to include any variables, such as actual eviction rates, rates of infection, differences in social distancing, etc. The authors also noted that their paper lacked peer review as they merely wanted to have it published quickly versus a desire for accuracy and validity.
Location: Formerly Pleasanton Ca, now in Marietta Ga
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Originally Posted by JobHunter2018
I don't give a **** about the economics of it. I give even less of a **** about your pathetic and worthless property rights. I give a **** about keeping people from dying of coronavirus, and that is absolutely the only thing that matters.
No, we don't care one bit. Not when your "property rights" and "individual freedoms" are getting people killed.
I would abolish all of that in exchange for the 350,000 Americans killed by your stupid, pointless ideals.
These people want to see the poor die of Coronavirus.
**** your theft of property. **** your property. It's nothing compared to the death toll that's being inflicted by evictions. Each and every one of you landlords should be criminally prosecuted, sued and fined right into oblivion for the people who die of COVID-19 after being evicted.
Have I effectively communicated to you just how irrelevant your concerns are, and how completely unworthy you are of anyone's concern? What part of "human lives are more important than property rights" do you fail to comprehend?
Well, since you're a liar and it's a legit study, you can discuss this lie all by yourself. No more time will be wasted on this.
Still angry at your low lot in life.based on your crazy posts I understand why no one would hire you. Loser mentality for life.
Utilities can be passed to the tenant and are much less than rent. Repairs and maintenance are much less than a mortgage payment typically. Real estate taxes typically do not lead to tax lien process for at least 2-3 years. The pandemic will long be over before that process would happen.
You are trying to justify - landlords cannot pass utility costs to a tenant, repairs are often much more than rent and tax liens can occur pretty quickly. But also, this is their landlords source of income.
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Originally Posted by ncole1
Interest payments should be suspended or reduced to a reasonable level comparable to what the city itself pays on its bonds. The back-taxes should be spread out, not due as a lump sum. The pain is very real but should be distributed around in such a way that no one party takes the full hit. Landlord should take some pain, tenant should take some pain, bank should take some pain, and city should take some pain. And federal government should chip in too.
There's going to be a lot of pain and budget problems one way or another. So it should be done in a way that is humane rather than being done in a way that is inhumane. Letting the eviction ban expire is forcing some tenants to pay with their lives instead of forcing lots of people to take a hit to their finances.
The bill you are talking about is artificially inflated because the tenant default rate is not 100% even under the eviction ban. You have to multiply your estimated bill by the actual increase in default rate compared to pre-pandemic times.
In reality, you have 12 million renters $5k behind. If you distribute the shortfall among 60 million Americans, it is $1k each, not $20k. you are presenting the numbers in an alarmist way to try to make the eviction ban seem much less reasonable than it really is.
I would be willing to pay $1000 if others would chip in likewise and the feds extended the eviction ban until July 1st.
Interest reduced to bond payment rate still means interest is being paid = money going out with nothing coming in. Also bond rate is not much different than mortgage rate, saves next to nothing.
How is it humane to have the pain only go one way - to the landlord. Most are still making their salary, why do they not need to pay.
You say that 12M are behind but there are about 108M renting in the US, why exempt all when only about 11% are the issue.
You are willing to pay $1000 so that someone else will pay your other $4000 - that is not a compromise and removes the concept of fairness, making others responsible for the expenses of a few. There would be no incentive to change the situation for those not paying.
I don't know how can anyone feel sorry for landlords who belong to vampire class? Landlords have done nothing but act as vultures who benefit from corrupt systems and the policies which ensure their wealth. Do not feel sorry for the landlord, do not ever believe that your landlord cares about you. The only thing your landlord cares about is stealing your paycheck every month.
Good Luck!!!
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