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Old 03-21-2022, 05:34 AM
 
Location: The Triad
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The United States is a huge country. There are many areas...
The areas with the existing civil engineering infrastructure are all that counts.
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The problem is that recent migration trends ...
The problem is exponential mathematics: The anamolous baby boom era population expansion.
This issue was recognized in the 60's and steadily ignored for over 50 years.
The US alone now has no less than 70 million more than we should; closer to 120m.

Most of the excess people problem (bad jobs, low pay, high RE prices) has been experienced by the lower levels.
But the issues are moving steadily up the food chain into the white collar world: Too Many People.


Any "solution" to the over population problem...
that doesn't START with plans to stop further expansion of the core issue of the problem... is a fools errand.
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Old 03-21-2022, 05:47 AM
 
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The areas with the existing civil engineering infrastructure are all that counts.The problem is exponential mathematics: The anamolous baby boom era population expansion.
This issue was recognized in the 60's and steadily ignored for over 50 years.
The US alone now has no less than 70 million more than we should; closer to 120m.

Most of the excess people problem (bad jobs, low pay, high RE prices) has been experienced by the lower levels.
But the issues are moving steadily up the food chain into the white collar world: Too Many People.


Any "solution" to the over population problem...
that doesn't START with plans to stop further expansion of the core issue of the problem... is a fools errand.
I agree Mr. Rational, so many people complain about urban sprawl, traffic, over development, high prices, etc yet so many of these people are hypocritical and had 2-3 children further making our real problem of over population worse. There should be no government subsidies for people who are already below the poverty line in our country having 3,5,6 children. It’s ridiculous. We shouldn’t reward people for having children, yet we do.
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Old 03-21-2022, 05:52 AM
 
Location: Bergen County, NJ
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The areas with the existing civil engineering infrastructure are all that counts.The problem is exponential mathematics: The anamolous baby boom era population expansion.
This issue was recognized in the 60's and steadily ignored for over 50 years.
The US alone now has no less than 70 million more than we should; closer to 120m.

Most of the excess people problem (bad jobs, low pay, high RE prices) has been experienced by the lower levels.
But the issues are moving steadily up the food chain into the white collar world: Too Many People.


Any "solution" to the over population problem...
that doesn't START with plans to stop further expansion of the core issue of the problem... is a fools errand.

Nah… China has 1.4 billion people. THAT’s too many people. I understand birth rates in the US is down the last couple of years and with more widespread work-from-home you would hope people will start moving from densely populated areas to less densely populated areas for things to spread out somewhat.

Otherwise I’m not sure what you’re suggesting the plan should be… outlaw childbirth?
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Old 03-21-2022, 06:00 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Let's update the old Soviet solution to inexpensive housing - - the Khrushchyovka.
Oh, right, that was tried in the 1960s-70s, resulting in the beloved [sarcasm] Federal Housing Projects. [aka "The Projects"]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khrushchyovka
During 1954–1961, engineer Vitaly Lagutenko, chief planner of Moscow since 1956, designed and tested the mass-scale, industrialized construction process, relying on concrete panel plants and a quick assembly schedule.
The Khrushchyovkas were cheap, and sometimes an entire building could be constructed within two weeks.
. . .
. . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0wHVyNx5nw
. . .

A musical number from "Stilyagi" ("Hipsters") the joys of life in a communal Khrushchyovka.
(Sorry, couldn't find the one with English subtitles)
It's queued up to the start.

https://youtu.be/E-W7uH6_H_o?t=598

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Old 03-21-2022, 06:24 AM
 
Location: MID ATLANTIC
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Many of these 2nd home owners are taking in 100's of 1000's in annual rental income in vacation destinations. No, they should not get a 250K tax break on top of the income write-offs.

There should be penalties for corporate purchases of SFH properties. Let the nonprofits continue with the purchase. But we do need to stop the corporate raiding of SFH.
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Old 03-21-2022, 06:31 AM
 
Location: Central CT, sometimes FL and NH.
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Many of these 2nd home owners are taking in 100's of 1000's in annual rental income in vacation destinations. No, they should not get a 250K tax break on top of the income write-offs.

There should be penalties for corporate purchases of SFH properties. Let the nonprofits continue with the purchase. But we do need to stop the corporate raiding of SFH.
Those home owners are not eligible. If someone is renting out their home more than 14 days a year it is an investment property and does not qualify for the primary home tax deduction. You cannot take an investment deduction and a primary home exemption.
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Old 03-21-2022, 06:31 AM
 
Location: MID ATLANTIC
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Many of these 2nd home owners are taking in 100's of 1000's in annual rental income in vacation destinations. No, they should not get a 250K tax break on top of the income write-offs.

There should be penalties for corporate purchases of SFH properties. Let the nonprofits continue with the purchase. But we do need to stop the corporate raiding of SFH.
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Old 03-21-2022, 07:14 AM
 
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More houses doesn't fix the too many people problem (the real issue).
More houses fixes the not enough houses problem, which is the real problem here.

Historically, restricting growth has not worked.

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Old 03-21-2022, 07:32 AM
 
Location: Wylie, Texas
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Originally Posted by MrRational View Post
The areas with the existing civil engineering infrastructure are all that counts.The problem is exponential mathematics: The anamolous baby boom era population expansion.
This issue was recognized in the 60's and steadily ignored for over 50 years.
The US alone now has no less than 70 million more than we should; closer to 120m.

Most of the excess people problem (bad jobs, low pay, high RE prices) has been experienced by the lower levels.
But the issues are moving steadily up the food chain into the white collar world: Too Many People.


Any "solution" to the over population problem...
that doesn't START with plans to stop further expansion of the core issue of the problem... is a fools errand.
It's a tricky balancing act. On one hand, the picture you painted can become a problem. But Japan and China did pretty much what you are suggesting in VERY different ways, but with the same end result; a decreased child birth rate. Now both countries are trying desperately to reverse these policies as their populations are not being replenished enough with the young and they are confronted with a rapidly aging population instead.
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Old 03-21-2022, 08:02 AM
 
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It's a tricky balancing act. On one hand, the picture you painted can become a problem. But Japan and China did pretty much what you are suggesting in VERY different ways, but with the same end result; a decreased child birth rate. Now both countries are trying desperately to reverse these policies as their populations are not being replenished enough with the young and they are confronted with a rapidly aging population instead.
It’s called a progress trap, solving one problem creates another. Can you imagine if there was a cure for all cancers and average life expectancies jumped to 120 years old? You don’t think in this hypocritical scenario we would have to adjust our polices and create some sort of birth laws???

I understand sex feels good but too many people are so egotistical that they need to see miniature humans that look like themselves. Unfortunately too many people can’t separate those good physical feelings from their egotistical desires. Adoption should be more common then it is.

This is all part of the bigger picture problem that our consumerism economy isn’t sustainable. If our economy needs a growing population to function then it is seriously flawed and we will just keep kicking the can down the road until all of our quality of lives suffer and eventually comes crashing down.

We are not even doing a good job taking care of the majority of the population we have right now yet we still feel compelled to procreate! I don’t understand it! At least half our country is obese and on some sort of pharmaceutical drug yet we think we should keep adding to our population because why? It’s like thinking throwing more gasoline on the fire will put it out.

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