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Old 03-24-2023, 06:10 PM
 
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personally i would take the lump sum every time and generate my own income stream off it .

40k pension or 1 million dollars in hand ….no question what i want.
Super. You're clear on that for those values.

Now, let's say you're on a Game Show and you win and you're given your choice of A or B below.

Let's set X=3.3k/month = $40K/year, and Y=$100,000. Would you choose A or B?

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A) A guaranteed income stream of $X per month which terminates when the later of you and your spouse die, with zero value the day thereafter, or
B) A lump sum of $Y today
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Old 03-24-2023, 06:25 PM
 
Location: PNW
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Super. You're clear on that for those values.

Now, let's say you're on a Game Show and you win and you're given your choice of A or B below.

Let's set X=3.3k/month = $40K/year, and Y=$100,000. Would you choose A or B?


MJ, MJ?

I guess he's still trying to calculate which one is mo money. LOL
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Old 03-24-2023, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Boca Raton, FL
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Default Not collecting SS yet

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The value of both pensions and social security depend on how long you live. A $2,000 a month pension and $2,000 a month social security could pay out $720,000 over 15 years of retirement. Those are modest amounts.

I agree with the person that said that the article is complete BS because it is only partial information.

Also, this is why I mention in the SS posts that people should be encouraged to work as long as they can and delay taking SS until at least FRA (if not until 70). If you have modest savings of $400k or less for a couple then most of that money needs to be reserved for paying medical expenses. Everybody retirement age is fully aware that shxt happens.

The guy making $80k on his rentals is likely pulling in at least another $36k from his SS. Maybe all that is going into savings. You know who the hxll knows what is actually happening financially speaking in any of these people's lives exactly. The person that said they might inherit money, but, isn't counting on it was likely counting on it and therefore didn't bother saving as much. The older couple up in Maine is probably the one story that is closest to the truth of what is reflected in the article.

This is a crxp article considering the source.
He retired at 60 and that was only a couple of years ago (I think it said).
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Old 03-24-2023, 06:54 PM
 
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Adding to what you've already noted. Your pension is very valuable.

Despite inflation, it definitely is.
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Old 03-24-2023, 06:56 PM
 
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So really retiring with investments around 2 to 3M isn't that impossible if one has a partner with a pension of similar value. You never made a lot of money but still managed to squirrel away 700K. If you found a partner at the government that would have been 1.6M in pension together. And that's retirement way before 55.
Yes, that's true. I just need to find that partner, LOL. That's been the hard part!
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Old 03-24-2023, 06:58 PM
 
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I think it is truthful - I'd just like to see it. For example, for him specifically, I wonder if he carries a Medicare Supplement policy or not. Or Medicare Advantage. What his medical deductibles are - he may be healthy and the answer is zero as he hasn't been to the Dr in years. I'm just curious. Or maybe nosey.
Yeah, I was wondering, too. He's only 60, so Medicare isn't in the picture yet.
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Old 03-24-2023, 07:10 PM
 
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I found this article:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/baldwin...h=7cd04b0348d5

I'm on my tablet, so can't see if the calculator still works, but the gives you some ideas how valuing pensions works in general.
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Old 03-24-2023, 07:11 PM
 
Location: PNW
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Yeah, I was wondering, too. He's only 60, so Medicare isn't in the picture yet.
He's also single. The idea that two can live cheaper than one does not always translate due to the standards that can be dropped by a single person. Singles can go very low on the food chain -- LOL.. Not keeping up with the Joneses.. etc., etc.
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Old 03-24-2023, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia (Center City)
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Here are the links to the other two articles in the series. I think this most recent one is the final one.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/heres-w...ca-11661702455

https://www.wsj.com/articles/heres-w...ts_featst_pos1

free summary of the second one: https://www.newsmax.com/finance/stre...27/id/1102033/
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Old 03-24-2023, 07:48 PM
 
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Here are the links to the other two articles in the series. I think this most recent one is the final one.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/heres-w...ca-11661702455

https://www.wsj.com/articles/heres-w...ts_featst_pos1

free summary of the second one: https://www.newsmax.com/finance/stre...27/id/1102033/
Here's a free link to the 2nd one:

http://archive.today/2022.12.08-1742...ca-11661702455

and the 3rd

http://archive.today/2022.12.27-1153...ca-11671890735
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