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So, moguldreamer's chart is the six-month chart from that link of yours. Thus, the six-month net changes are for the six months leading up to June 2023.
Not surprised. Government hiring was likely frozen many places during pandemic and just now being allowed to fill positions left vacant by retirements and people moving on. Government is one place where many still work from home, and I use that term ("work") loosely to include everybody.
Have you EVER tried to get through to the IRS, make a SS appt.?
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Have you EVER tried to get through to the IRS, make a SS appt.?
It wouldn't make a lick of difference how many people are manning the phones if none of them do any work. You could hire 300 million people for those agencies and you still won't be able to get through to anyone.
All government bureaucracies at every level are horribly bloated. You could get rid of 50% of the headcount tomorrow and no one would notice. They would be just as inept as they were with double the headcount.
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It wouldn't make a lick of difference how many people are manning the phones if none of them do any work. You could hire 300 million people for those agencies and you still won't be able to get through to anyone.
All government bureaucracies at every level are horribly bloated. You could get rid of 50% of the headcount tomorrow and no one would notice. They would be just as inept as they were with double the headcount.
I had similar views until I worked for the State government, in a position that interacted with most of the various agencies. In general, I was surprised at the quality of work.
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It wouldn't make a lick of difference how many people are manning the phones if none of them do any work. You could hire 300 million people for those agencies and you still won't be able to get through to anyone.
All government bureaucracies at every level are horribly bloated. You could get rid of 50% of the headcount tomorrow and no one would notice. They would be just as inept as they were with double the headcount.
I don't agree. Social Security administration workers are hard workers. Their phones long wait times because of the increased number of boomer retirees calling.
The problem is when government decreases headcount, it increases the number of contractors/consultants used. Federal contractors/consultants hire ex-government employees at two or three times the federal pay rate to compensate for the lost of their retirement benefits.
Often when a member of congress will boast on the decrease in federal employees, sadly this only increases the federal budget. Penny wise, pound foolish.
Besides which many federal workers have not seen a cost of living since the 2000's and the cost of living in DC is too high!
I don't agree. Social Security administration workers are hard workers. Their phones long wait times because of the increased number of boomer retirees calling.
The problem is when government decreases headcount, it increases the number of contractors/consultants used. Federal contractors/consultants hire ex-government employees at two or three times the federal pay rate to compensate for the lost of their retirement benefits.
Often when a member of congress will boast on the decrease in federal employees, sadly this only increases the federal budget. Penny wise, pound foolish.
Besides which many federal workers have not seen a cost of living since the 2000's and the cost of living in DC is too high!
They can work "hard" all they want. Doesn't mean they're productive. No amount of headcount is going to fix a bloated process and red tape.
Virtually all business processes in government are like digging a ditch manually with a pick and shovel then someone else coming along and refilling the ditch with a pick and shovel.
Cut and/or automate the red tape and fire half the headcount. There is no reason any routine government process should take more than 3 business days from start to finish.
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I don't agree. Social Security administration workers are hard workers. Their phones long wait times because of the increased number of boomer retirees calling.
The problem is when government decreases headcount, it increases the number of contractors/consultants used. Federal contractors/consultants hire ex-government employees at two or three times the federal pay rate to compensate for the lost of their retirement benefits.
Often when a member of congress will boast on the decrease in federal employees, sadly this only increases the federal budget. Penny wise, pound foolish.
Besides which many federal workers have not seen a cost of living since the 2000's and the cost of living in DC is too high!
Most Federal employees live outside of DC region. Slightly outdated, but probably on trend date. While Maryland, DC, and Virginia have among the highest percent of Federal employees as a percent of total working population, most Federal employees do not live in the DC region.
"States with the most federal civilian employees as of June 2018 were California, the District of Columbia, Virginia, Maryland and Texas. The vast majority of all federal employees -- about 79 percent -- work outside the D.C. region."
They can work "hard" all they want. Doesn't mean they're productive. No amount of headcount is going to fix a bloated process and red tape.
Virtually all business processes in government are like digging a ditch manually with a pick and shovel then someone else coming along and refilling the ditch with a pick and shovel.
Cut and/or automate the red tape and fire half the headcount. There is no reason any routine government process should take more than 3 business days from start to finish.
How do you know this? What possible insight do you have to productivity? Or this is from some internet meme?
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Most Federal employees live outside of DC region. Slightly outdated, but probably on trend date. While Maryland, DC, and Virginia have among the highest percent of Federal employees as a percent of total working population, most Federal employees do not live in the DC region.
"States with the most federal civilian employees as of June 2018 were California, the District of Columbia, Virginia, Maryland and Texas. The vast majority of all federal employees -- about 79 percent -- work outside the D.C. region."
The WASHINGTON-BALTIMORE-ARLINGTON, DC-MD-VA-WV-PA GS Locality is one of 53 GS Locality Areas used to determine local cost-of-living pay adjustments for federal government employees. The 2023 Locality Pay Adjustment for this locality is 32.49%, which means that GS employees in this area are paid 32.49% more then the GS Base Pay Table.
While the major city in this Locality Area is Washington DC, District Of Columbia, federal employees located within the surrounding areas may also be considered to be within this pay area. The Washington DC locality map shows which counties in District Of Columbia are included in the Washington DC Locality Area.
Smart Asset recently reported that you would need to earn $133,000 gross to afford average Washington, DC rent prices.
Even still, the federal employees in DC need to work close to downtown Washington and the Pentagon are paid significantly less than the private sector and far below the $133,000 gross needed for Washington DC rental prices.
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Of course the "chart" did not separate Fed, City, County or State government.
Positions like firemen, police, forestry, etc. The military has been having a hard time recruiting.
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