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Old 11-14-2009, 12:35 PM
 
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Sorry, I forgot the world revolves around you and yours.
The world revoloves around each of us. Which is to say, "our" world, your's, mine and everyone's else's, is what we make of it.

Someone, i can't remember who, once said "whether you think you can or you think you can't you'll end up being right".
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Old 11-14-2009, 12:44 PM
 
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good for you! maybe you should announce your business openings so people can start applying for these positions that you have available.
These are highly skilled journeyman union jobs. I will most likely hire from the local union pool. Unforetunately not many want to work with their hands anymore so finding these guys is a lot harder than it was 30 years ago.

Perhaps it will come back in style though. Not easy to outsource the rehab of a 50 year old Hi-rise to China if you know what I mean
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Old 11-14-2009, 12:57 PM
 
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And this would reduce the standard of living of Americans. I really don't understand how people think that by removing subsidies to the US, they are going to some how improve the lives of people in the US.
That's only true in the short term. In the long term, preserving jobs in the US will provide a lot better standard of living than access to cheap Chinese goods.
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Old 11-14-2009, 01:03 PM
 
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you are mistaken if you think that i am a socialist! i have been opposed to every single bailout the GOVERNMENT has instituted, and not one bailout has benefited america.

the government needs to stop the crooked oil manipulation, stop printing currency, stop the wasteful spending, and start prosecuting. that is what i mean by government "intervention".
So you just want the gov't to manipulate the Oil and currency markets and prosecute people for making money, I see.

How about the gov't just protect us from foriegn enemies and build some roads? Btw, you're thesis on how Oil is manipulated makes no sense at all. In fact, none of your conspiracy theories fly in the face of reality. There is nothing wrong with speculation. If anything we need more of it, not less. And we need less regulation not more. Do you have any idea how much the gov't regulates everything? It's crazy.

So some banks got bailed out. I got it. It sucks. But it's water under the bridge now. Move on. No one is going to jail. Thats just more crazy speak. You want to lock people up for making money? Geesh! If anyone should be locked up it's the politicians. And if you want to stop wasteful spending then the first thing you ought to be for is less gov't regulation because the money that gets spent on those bureaucracies is mind numbing and only pales in comparison to the cost it adds to doing business.

Your more socialist than you realize. Being against the bailouts doesn't cement you as a captialist.
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Old 11-14-2009, 01:27 PM
 
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So you just want the gov't to manipulate the Oil and currency markets and prosecute people for making money, I see.

How about the gov't just protect us from foriegn enemies and build some roads? Btw, you're thesis on how Oil is manipulated makes no sense at all. In fact, none of your conspiracy theories fly in the face of reality. There is nothing wrong with speculation. If anything we need more of it, not less. And we need less regulation not more. Do you have any idea how much the gov't regulates everything? It's crazy.

So some banks got bailed out. I got it. It sucks. But it's water under the bridge now. Move on. No one is going to jail. Thats just more crazy speak. You want to lock people up for making money? Geesh! If anyone should be locked up it's the politicians. And if you want to stop wasteful spending then the first thing you ought to be for is less gov't regulation because the money that gets spent on those bureaucracies is mind numbing and only pales in comparison to the cost it adds to doing business.

Your more socialist than you realize. Being against the bailouts doesn't cement you as a captialist.

i want the government to STOP PLAYING FAVORITES and stop guaranteeing "too big to fail" with taxpayer money. it is not water under the bridge if the government keeps doing it!! GM just gave the german government some american taxpayer money yesterday and more at the end of this month. that is a government failure! they only need to enforce the laws that are on the books, instead of looking the other way. i want the government out of bed with wall street.


while we are at it, i am tired of big business and their threats as well. as denninger quite appropriately put it:

For how long will The American People tolerate the "do what I want or we will detonate the world" claims from "Big Business"?

“If the U.S. dismantles our leading institutions, then it will destroy the American financial center, which is largely anchored in New York,” said Kathryn Wylde, president and CEO of the New York partnership. “It’s just frightening.”

Arrest that woman and charge her with extortion and terroristic threats made against The United States.

Then ask who would like to be next.

I'm tired of this crap. All of America is tired of this crap.

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Old 11-14-2009, 01:41 PM
 
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For how long will The American People tolerate the "do what I want or we will detonate the world" claims from "Big Business"?

“If the U.S. dismantles our leading institutions, then it will destroy the American financial center, which is largely anchored in New York,†said Kathryn Wylde, president and CEO of the New York partnership. “It’s just frightening.â€

Arrest that woman and charge her with extortion and terroristic threats made against The United States.

Then ask who would like to be next.

I'm tired of this crap. All of America is tired of this crap.
So now you even want to arrest people for voicing their opinions. Brilliant!
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Old 11-14-2009, 01:58 PM
 
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The government purposely depreciated the dollar with stimulus package after stimulus package and by knocking down rates all the way to 0%. Asking them to "protect" the dollar at this point is nonsense - they purposely knocked down its value - they are doing the exact opposite of protecting it. They don't WANT a strong currency. This is probably fine until you start having other countries and central banks exit their dollar positions and create a "run out of the dollar." But this isn't happening on any large scale nor is it anywhere close to happening IMO.
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Old 11-14-2009, 03:52 PM
 
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So you just want the gov't to manipulate the Oil and currency markets and prosecute people for making money, I see.

How about the gov't just protect us from foriegn enemies and build some roads? Btw, you're thesis on how Oil is manipulated makes no sense at all. In fact, none of your conspiracy theories fly in the face of reality. There is nothing wrong with speculation. If anything we need more of it, not less. And we need less regulation not more. Do you have any idea how much the gov't regulates everything? It's crazy.

So some banks got bailed out. I got it. It sucks. But it's water under the bridge now. Move on. No one is going to jail. Thats just more crazy speak. You want to lock people up for making money? Geesh! If anyone should be locked up it's the politicians. And if you want to stop wasteful spending then the first thing you ought to be for is less gov't regulation because the money that gets spent on those bureaucracies is mind numbing and only pales in comparison to the cost it adds to doing business.

Your more socialist than you realize. Being against the bailouts doesn't cement you as a captialist.

Aaaaah, speaking of crazy .............
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Old 11-14-2009, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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That's only true in the short term. In the long term, preserving jobs in the US will provide a lot better standard of living than access to cheap Chinese goods.
Really? How will preserving low skill manufacturing jobs in the US increase the standard of living long term vs getting subsidies from other nations?

You guys seem not to understand that a lot of the work that is outsourced to places like China was moved from US soil over 3 decades ago. But 2-3 decades ago it was not China, it was Taiwan, Korea and Japan. Other than perhaps some national security issues it makes no sense to preserve some sector of jobs over another. The only concern should be balanced trade, but balancing the global trade imbalances means a reduction in the aggregate standard of living in the US.

Like farming before it manufacturing jobs are going to continue to decline due to increases in productivity. You may as well picket industrial robotic firms.
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Old 11-14-2009, 08:45 PM
 
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That's only true in the short term. In the long term, preserving jobs in the US will provide a lot better standard of living than access to cheap Chinese goods.
Nope, they are american products and designs. Everything about them is american. I've lived in china (three months), korea and japan and none of those goods are what asians use except for just a few products.
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