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Old 04-29-2014, 09:08 AM
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Location: 3rd rock from a nearby star
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This is awful, how little we pay teachers.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/30/ny...home.html?_r=0
Your homeless professor says she's living in a small room.

She may not be the best professor.

I like mine to at least get their facts straight!
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Old 04-29-2014, 09:32 AM
 
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Well, someone has done a great job of convincing these young girls to go into teaching. And the career prospects for that type of girl are probably brighter than if they chose communications, ethnic studies, or art history.

I know it's tough breaking in and you may have to pay your dues by teaching at parochial or charter school for a while unless your family has connections in town politics. But if you catch the brass ring,
teaching can be a great career and you are locked in until you choose to retire at whatever age suits you.
The attrition rate for new teachers who do get a job are quite high.

Why Do Teachers Quit? - Liz Riggs - The Atlantic

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Teaching, Ingersoll says, “was originally built as this temporary line of work for women before they got their real job—which was raising families, or temporary for men until they moved out of the classroom and became administrators. That was sort of the historical set-up.”

Ingersoll extrapolated and then later confirmed that anywhere between 40 and 50 percent of teachers will leave the classroom within their first five years (that includes the nine and a half percent that leave before the end of their first year.) Certainly, all professions have turnover, and some shuffling out the door is good for bringing in young blood and fresh faces. But, turnover in teaching is about four percent higher than other professions.

Approximately 15.7 percent of teachers leave their posts every year, and 40 percent of teachers who pursue undergraduate degrees in teaching never even enter the classroom at all. With teacher effectiveness a top priority of the education reform movement, the question remains: Why are all these teachers leaving—or not even entering the classroom in the first place?
The cost of this attrition is quite high.

High Teacher Turnover Rates are a Big Problem for America
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Old 04-29-2014, 10:43 AM
 
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I was told that it's not a good idea to move in order to get an adjunct teaching position in the USA, because those are too unstable.

If she was getting a position as an English instructor in China the school would pay her about $1,000 per month and provide her with free housing, utilities, and internet (and living expenses are lower) so she could actually have a decent place to live and save up some money.
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Old 04-29-2014, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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I've seen a few brand new teacher graduates all gun ho in August and leave by next May looking for greener ($$$) pastures in bigger school districts.
Isn't that the idea?
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Old 04-29-2014, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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The attrition rate for new teachers who do get a job are quite high.
You said there was a glut of teachers projected thru 2020. Don't we want a high attrition rate, to weed out some of the ones who just got into it because it was an easy major and because they get summers and snow days off?
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Old 04-29-2014, 11:08 AM
 
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You said there was a glut of teachers projected thru 2020. Don't we want a high attrition rate, to weed out some of the ones who just got into it because it was an easy major and because they get summers and snow days off?
I think there's a glut of teachers in the "easy" places (suburban schools, magnet schools) but a lack of teachers in not-so-easy places (poor rural areas and low income areas in inner suburbs and inner cities)

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Isn't that the idea?
Maybe but a lack of stability is harmful for schools and students. This affects inner city schools a lot, where many frustrated teachers quit, quit, quit due to lack of support from the administration and other reasons
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Old 04-29-2014, 12:02 PM
 
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Get a job at trader joes and teach night classes

Adjunct professor is not a real job. If she was a NY City teacher in the union with full benefits and a large pension why did she quit that. Makes no sense. She could be a public school teacher AND an adjucnt adn
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Old 04-29-2014, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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I don't get this OP. I looked at her profile and, basically, she hops around CD posts once in a thread and moves on nary to be seen again in that thread.

There are several people here that do that. Hmmm...why do you think they do that? I enjoy a good conversation, but what's up with those who dive-bomb a thread with their opinion and never come back?

There are also the ones that come in and make unbelievable and outlandish comments that are designed to stir up the muck, but not offer anything to the discussion at hand.

Something to ponder.


Sounds like a pretty easy job, though I wouldn't want to be the one dogging posters to see and pass judgment on what and how often they post. Just what is the starting salary for "board biddie" or "messageboard magpie" these days?

If, however, I did volunteer for such a job, I might find out that maybe 1) they're caring for their dementia-ridden elderly parent(s) and MILs, and that's their priority 2) they have other responsibilities that preclude tracking their posts and perching on the PC to respond in a manner acceptable to control freaks who also happen to be strangers, or 3) they might just plain have other things they'd rather do.

Something else to ponder.
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Old 04-29-2014, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Florida
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So the cost of higher education is too high, but we arent paying the adjuncts enough...Sounds like the adjuncts need to address the way in which Universities are spending their money, not asking us for more.
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Old 04-29-2014, 08:52 PM
 
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So the cost of higher education is too high, but we arent paying the adjuncts enough...Sounds like the adjuncts need to address the way in which Universities are spending their money, not asking us for more.
The criticism is that the money is being used to increase administrator salaries and/or to build unnecessary things.

It used to be that adjuncts were not meant to be a job, and were just temporary, but universities are hiring fewer full time professors and are relying on adjuncts more.

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Get a job at trader joes and teach night classes

Adjunct professor is not a real job. If she was a NY City teacher in the union with full benefits and a large pension why did she quit that. Makes no sense. She could be a public school teacher AND an adjucnt adn
It used to be that adjuncts were lightly used and were intended to be only part-time, but what is happening is many schools are relying on adjuncts instead of full time teachers to save money.
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