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Old 08-20-2014, 10:53 AM
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One nation, Under Capitalism.....
don't you mean under the 2nd Amendment. Apparently that is the most important part of the Constitution.

 
Old 08-20-2014, 10:55 AM
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So what?

I taught HS science for 21 years, all but one of them in Texas. Back around 2004 or so, the state required a daily pledge at the beginning of each school day, followed by a "salute to the Texas flag." Every time, I omitted the 1954 McCarthyite revision "under god" phrase from the pledge, and then turned my back on the Texas flag and took attendance, ignoring the "Texas salute."

To me, being an American citizen doesn't mean having to bow down daily and praise each selected level of government. If they came up with a requirement to kiss the superintendent's ring, I would have ignored that silliness, too.

I know - the whole pledge thing is so odd, its like in North Korea. No other civilized first world country requires a pledge every morning in school - just weird. Its indoctrination vs. freedom.
 
Old 08-20-2014, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Paradise
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This OP goes around starting thread and rarely returns. I suspect that he has a vested interest here and don't usually respond to threads he starts.
 
Old 08-20-2014, 11:16 AM
 
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Somebody do the math - How much time is used in dronelike recitation of the pledge by how many students and teachers times how many days in every year? Maybe take the time to learn to spell a different word every day. "Loosers!"
 
Old 08-20-2014, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Suburbia
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Understood, Skoro. That's fine, but the teacher in this case didn't leave the phrase out in purpose, yet that's what the headline is getting at.
 
Old 08-20-2014, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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Sensationalized news. Sounds like she copied and pasted the version used prior to 1954. An honest mistake over which the author and the mother in the story are getting their panties in a bunch.

Move along.

LOL, I know some can't wait to emphasize that "under God" wasn't always in the pledge but...really?

Anyone who has to look up the Pledge of Allegiance to copy/past it is in trouble, indeed.
 
Old 08-20-2014, 12:51 PM
 
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Wow, she must have been reminiscing about the Pledge of Allegiance before 1954.
Yeah, back in those godless times. LOL
 
Old 08-20-2014, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Cody, WY
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Regardless of any opinion, the article slants it, trying to make it sound like the teacher and the schools have an agenda to rid the the schools of "God", and that's not true.

The author sticks this part into the article: In this particular case, the omission was not the nefarious work of a godless educator. The principal said it was an honest-to-goodness mistake.

Great. End of story. No? Blame MUST lie with the teacher. So, the author gets in this little dig:
“The teacher failed to proof the paper,” the principal wrote.
As we all know – the most important part of the editorial process is the proof-reading. That’s why God made copy editors. Before I go off chasing another squirrel, let’s get back to the issue at hand – the pledge.


Let's get back to the issue at hand? What "issue"? It was a mistake.


"The government [doesn't] like God"? The parent was able to "facilitate change" at the elementary school? What change? Give me a break. They say the Pledge every day.


This author probably also believes the Facebook posts that say students aren't allowed to read the Bible in school.
Government schools guided by the infamous NEA have been trying to expel Christianity for years. They don't even allow a Christmas tree to be called a Christmas tree. I'm not Christian, but I don't ignore the obvious.

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Originally Posted by skoro View Post
So what?

I taught HS science for 21 years, all but one of them in Texas. Back around 2004 or so, the state required a daily pledge at the beginning of each school day, followed by a "salute to the Texas flag." Every time, I omitted the 1954 McCarthyite revision "under god" phrase from the pledge, and then turned my back on the Texas flag and took attendance, ignoring the "Texas salute."

To me, being an American citizen doesn't mean having to bow down daily and praise each selected level of government. If they came up with a requirement to kiss the superintendent's ring, I would have ignored that silliness, too.
However, you apparently had no problem taking the government's (taxpayers') money.
 
Old 08-20-2014, 01:31 PM
 
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Government schools guided by the infamous NEA have been trying to expel Christianity for years. They don't even allow a Christmas tree to be called a Christmas tree. I'm not Christian, but I don't ignore the obvious.
Have you experienced this first hand or have an example? I've been teaching 21 years in a large district and haven't. Just a few years ago the superintendent's office sent out a specific email about how Christmas decorations are allowed, but not at the exclusion of other holiday decor and observances. It's not true that we aren't even allowed to say the word "Christmas", but some people think that's the case
 
Old 08-20-2014, 01:36 PM
 
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Government schools guided by the infamous NEA have been trying to expel Christianity for years. They don't even allow a Christmas tree to be called a Christmas tree. I'm not Christian, but I don't ignore the obvious.
Umm, who cares? I've never celebrated holidays at school anyway. I did it at my home...with our christmas tree; as I'm sure many people do.
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