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Old 02-29-2016, 03:05 PM
 
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You just said I'm doing a grave disservice to my kid. That's snobbish and wrong. If you can't see that, then you need to be more careful or you will insult far more people.
It is my opinion that it is a grave disservice to INTENTIONALLY put children in a failing school. That's my opinion. I am not going to change it because it makes you feel bad.
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Old 02-29-2016, 03:08 PM
 
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Everything you said right there is the problem since test scores evaluate (and I use that term lightly) every student as opposed to just the top.
No they don't.

PSAT, SAT and ACT are generally given to college bound students. Everyone does not take them. So how do the kids from your son's school do on those exams?

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The exams I listed above are used for college entrance (except PSAT which is a chance to practice college entrance exams). Comparing how college bound kids in your child's school do on this exam vs national and state averages tells you what you need to know. You may have total disdain for these exams but the colleges your child will apply to will be using them. Like it or not, these are the tests that matter.
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Old 02-29-2016, 03:13 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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No they don't.

PSAT, SAT and ACT are generally given to college bound students. Everyone does not take them. So how do the kids from your son's school do on those exams?

Depends on the school system. Here in Maryland many of the systems require all Sophomores to take the PSAT and Juniors the SAT (including self-contained SPED in my former system. You haven't lived until you've given the test to those kids).
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Old 02-29-2016, 03:14 PM
 
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Depends on the school system. Here in Maryland many of the systems require all Juniors to take them (including self-contained SPED in my former system. You haven't lived until you've given the test to those kids).
What a tremendous waste of time.
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Old 02-29-2016, 03:16 PM
 
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Depends on the school system. Here in Maryland many of the systems require all Sophomores to take the PSAT and Juniors the SAT (including self-contained SPED in my former system. You haven't lived until you've given the test to those kids).
Oh good grief, why would they do that? Does it do anything for them except for make them feel bad?
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Old 02-29-2016, 03:17 PM
 
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What a tremendous waste of time.

Yeah. If you go back I had to edit because I'd forgotten the grades where they were taken. I've been out for a year and a half.


We also made all AP kids take the test no matter what the class grade was. Then those scores were used for teacher evaluations.
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Old 02-29-2016, 03:20 PM
 
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Yeah. If you go back I had to edit because I'd forgotten the grades where they were taken. I've been out for a year and a half.


We also made all AP kids take the test no matter what the class grade was. Then those scores were used for teacher evaluations.

The AP thing is okay.


But making a severely learning disabled adolescent take a PSAT/SAT? That's cruel. They know their peers can do it and they can't. That's just horrific.
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Old 02-29-2016, 03:21 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Oh good grief, why would they do that? Does it do anything for them except for make them feel bad?


Well, a lot of them cry. I always got to proctor the SPED kids because, for some reason, it was thought that I was able to deal with them ( as a non-SPED teacher). I guess because a couple of my classes were always used for limited mainstreaming because I was able to get those kids to pass the class. The classes were Psych and Social Issues so it was pretty easy to get the SPED kids through them. Not with As, but with good enough grades so they felt good about taking a "regular" class.
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Old 02-29-2016, 03:21 PM
 
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Yeah. If you go back I had to edit because I'd forgotten the grades where they were taken. I've been out for a year and a half.


We also made all AP kids take the test no matter what the class grade was. Then those scores were used for teacher evaluations.
My kids school makes all AP kids take the test if they want to get AP weighting for the course on their transcript. If they don't take the exam the lose the extra weighting.

Does your school allow anyone to take an AP course or are there strict requirements?
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Old 02-29-2016, 03:22 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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The AP thing is okay.


But making a severely learning disabled adolescent take a PSAT/SAT? That's cruel. They know their peers can do it and they can't. That's just horrific.


When Bill Gates pays for the tests you do what you're told.


I could never figure out why we did it. Some of it was historic and some political. When you're the 2nd worst school system in the State you tend be under a microscope and put a happy face on giving all students "access".


If truth were told I really wasn't ready to retire when I did. But between that and getting a "punishment" schedule two years running, among some other reasons concerning my refusal to cover up a major incident where another teacher was severely injured, I'd had my full level of bull****.
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