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French "forte" (pronounced, roughly, fort) is the feminine version of the adjective meaning strong. "Fort" (pronounced, roughly, forrh) is the masculine. In Italian, it's "forte" (fortay) for both genders. There is no Romance language in which fort or forte is a noun meaning one's strong point; it is unique to English. So I'll stick with "fortay".
Me and you both Larry, another one that I was never sure of is calzone, I've always said calzonay, but on occasion, plastic Italians in London pizza places have attempted to correct me, and say "It's calzoan."
Eventually I asked a married couple of my acquaintance, Americans, of Sicilian descent, who live in New York City, they said that it's calzonay all day long.
Good enough for me.
Me and you both Larry, another one that I was never sure of is calzone, I've always said calzonay, but on occasion, plastic Italians in London pizza places have attempted to correct me, and say "It's calzoan."
Eventually I asked a married couple of my acquaintance, Americans, of Sicilian descent, who live in New York City, they said that it's calzonay all day long.
Good enough for me.
cahl-TZO-nay, if you want to be a purist about it!
French "forte" (pronounced, roughly, fort) is the feminine version of the adjective meaning strong. "Fort" (pronounced, roughly, forrh) is the masculine. In Italian, it's "forte" (fortay) for both genders. There is no Romance language in which fort or forte is a noun meaning one's strong point; it is unique to English. So I'll stick with "fortay".
Me and you both Larry, another one that I was never sure of is calzone, I've always said calzonay, but on occasion, plastic Italians in London pizza places have attempted to correct me, and say "It's calzoan."
Eventually I asked a married couple of my acquaintance, Americans, of Sicilian descent, who live in New York City, they said that it's calzonay all day long.
Good enough for me.
I'm from New Jersey, home of the Sopranos, and it's "cal-zoan" at every mom & pop pizza parlor here. Capicola ham is "gabagool" here, too.
Former Red Sox ballplayer Rico Petrocelli pronounces his name the American way, where the C is like an S. Around the time he was playing, there was a TV show called Petrocelli and the main character insisted on correcting people to pronounce it the Italian way. I remember hearing that it drove Rico nuts and caused people to start mispronouncing his own name.
I took Italian in high school, so I know how to pronounce all these things "correctly" but I live in America so I pronounce them the way most people do. With surnames, pronunciation is up to the person who owns the name.
I'm from New Jersey, home of the Sopranos, and it's "cal-zoan" at every mom & pop pizza parlor here. Capicola ham is "gabagool" here, too.
Former Red Sox ballplayer Rico Petrocelli pronounces his name the American way, where the C is like an S. Around the time he was playing, there was a TV show called Petrocelli and the main character insisted on correcting people to pronounce it the Italian way. I remember hearing that it drove Rico nuts and caused people to start mispronouncing his own name.
I took Italian in high school, so I know how to pronounce all these things "correctly" but I live in America so I pronounce them the way most people do. With surnames, pronunciation is up to the person who owns the name.
I vaguely recall Petrocelli, the TV show, he was always trying to complete the building of his new house out west.
There used to be a running gag at the trucking company I worked at, "Who nicked, (Brit slang for stole), Petrocelli's bricks?
I pronounce Petrocelli as Petro-chelly, but I say manseenee for Mancini.
The main station in Milan is Milano Centrale, that's Milahno Chentrahlee to me, but what do I know, I'm just a Brit with strong French connections.
As for the Red Sox, boo boo, I know too many Yankee fans in NYC to talk about them, although I freely admit that I tried to get a ticket for a game at for Fenway Park when I was in Boston years ago, but couldn't get one.
I'm from New Jersey, home of the Sopranos, and it's "cal-zoan" at every mom & pop pizza parlor here. Capicola ham is "gabagool" here, too.
Former Red Sox ballplayer Rico Petrocelli pronounces his name the American way, where the C is like an S. Around the time he was playing, there was a TV show called Petrocelli and the main character insisted on correcting people to pronounce it the Italian way. I remember hearing that it drove Rico nuts and caused people to start mispronouncing his own name.
I took Italian in high school, so I know how to pronounce all these things "correctly" but I live in America so I pronounce them the way most people do. With surnames, pronunciation is up to the person who owns the name.
I've only heard calzoan, as well by Italian-Americans. Italian-Americans tend to drop the final vowel as in "manicott."
I've only heard calzoan, as well by Italian-Americans. Italian-Americans tend to drop the final vowel as in "manicott."
I have never heard calzone pronounced as anything but cal-zoan. I have lived in NJ for 58 years. I am not of Italian descent, but lots of NJians are. Never have I heard one say calzone any other way!
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