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Old 03-14-2018, 02:31 PM
 
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Or, irony of ironies, does it not occur to anyone that students are demanding safety by flouting school security rules devised for their protection?

 
Old 03-14-2018, 02:31 PM
 
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That's because we have become a culture that's addicted to grand, yet lazy, symbolism rather than substance.
As opposed to when they used to stage walkouts to protest things that matter, like dress code and being forced to cut their hair.
 
Old 03-14-2018, 02:38 PM
 
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As opposed to when they used to stage walkouts to protest things that matter, like dress code and being forced to cut their hair.
Those were dumb, too.
 
Old 03-14-2018, 02:43 PM
 
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They're not being punished for protesting. They're being punished for skipping school.

If it's an issue they are passionate about, then they should be willing to take the punishment that comes with it. If not, protest on their own time.

Good lesson for those kids - freedom comes at a cost.
According to a friend of mine who works for our district, the policy was thus:
Missing class(es) for the protest would be considered an excused absence, keeping in mind there is a limit on excused absences other than for documented illness, court appearances, etc. Staff that wanted to participate needed to take PTO.

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I'm pointing out that, as far as protests are concerned, it is empty and shallow in nature. And, quite frankly if you are deterred from protesting because of what some people on message board think, then your commitment to the cause is already subject to serious question. In that sense, you've just proved my point. I'm pretty sure that the marchers in Selma weren't terribly interested in what other people thought of the protest.

Do you want to create change in the world? Then a symbolic 17-minute disruption of classes isn't how you do it. I mean, what are the school administrators supposed to do about it anyway?
The administrators can express their opinions to their representatives in the state houses, congress, etc. And they can vote. They're the ones who have to deal with this stuff, not these NRA folks who talk about second amendment rights.
 
Old 03-14-2018, 02:45 PM
 
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Or, irony of ironies, does it not occur to anyone that students are demanding safety by flouting school security rules devised for their protection?
Oh, give it up already. You're becoming an echo chamber for the status quo.

Good for these kids--more power to them. They've had enough of do-nothingness and wholly-bought NRA politicians and their ridiculous double-talk.
 
Old 03-14-2018, 03:15 PM
 
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Those were dumb, too.
They were effective, though. And before that, the war protests and the civil rights sit-ins.

This is the day after a teacher fired a gun in his classroom.

We could say they're all "dumb" but that doesn't mean that it's a damn-kids-nowadays deal where this is something new to society.
 
Old 03-14-2018, 03:30 PM
 
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Ah, the narrowmindedness of those who think butts in chairs in a classroom is the only way a child can learn.
 
Old 03-14-2018, 03:36 PM
 
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Just that. If you tacitly endorse the protest of one group, then do you allow equal indulgence for those who have an opposite opinion?
Since when is staying in class a "protest"? Are you sure you are responding to the right person? I don't know what you're talking about.
 
Old 03-14-2018, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Keosauqua, Iowa
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According to a friend of mine who works for our district, the policy was thus:
Missing class(es) for the protest would be considered an excused absence, keeping in mind there is a limit on excused absences other than for documented illness, court appearances, etc. Staff that wanted to participate needed to take PTO.
So does that just apply to this protest, or is that any protest?

When this walkout was announced there was no agenda attached, it was stated that the goal was to make Congress aware that students expect them to sit down at the table to discuss the issue and work toward solutions. But in reading the news reports today, apparently there is a bullet-point list of actions that the "students" are calling on Congress to take.

So if a student is concerned about school shootings but doesn't agree with the agenda released in conjunction with this protest, will he or she be excused for staging a separate protest on a different date?
 
Old 03-14-2018, 03:49 PM
 
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A local school district got out in front of the protest. They advised the parents via the phone contact line that the protest would be orderly. Students were expected to remain on campus, to maintain a quiet presence, and return to the school building in an orderly fashion. The announcement assured the parents that there would be "police presence" during the protest.

Smarter than "threatening" consequences for protesting. These are children who feel helpless in the face of the possibility of death while attending school. They want to feel that adults will do something to help protect them. They are using the only means they have to call attention to their distress.

Our administrators wisely recognize this and have afforded the students the right to "peaceably assemble" as guaranteed in the First Amendment.
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