09-22-2011, 08:01 PM
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Are you, or anyone you know going to these events? Will it change your perception of Juarez? I didn't think so. I can't see how this wil make anyone think Juarez is normal. What do you think?
09-23-2011, 12:12 AM
Location: Glory Road - El Paso, Texas (R.O)
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Even by your standards, your post in this thread is questionable. Why even ask a question if you are going to answer it? Also, you very well know this forum isn't filled with regular El Pasoans but rather crabs and transplants who have an axe to grind.
09-23-2011, 12:38 AM
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Sadly it won't change my current perception of Juarez, but that's only because there is still too much crime going on over there. But at least I'm happy they are doing something nice over there and positive for the whole community. Hopefully this will help some people think a little more about what is really happening just south of us.
09-23-2011, 07:00 AM
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Even by your standards, your post in this thread is questionable. Why even ask a question if you are going to answer it? Also, you very well know this forum isn't filled with regular El Pasoans but rather crabs and transplants who have an axe to grind.
I'm talking about Juarez in this thread; I think the Dollar Store is in the Fountains thread.
09-23-2011, 08:36 AM
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Are you, or anyone you know going to these events? Will it change your perception of Juarez? I didn't think so. I can't see how this wil make anyone think Juarez is normal. What do you think?
I'm in CdJ. all the time, but don't plan on going to this. I'm just .. meh?... whatever....
Though, I think it's a good idea and I appreciate that the maquila owners want to change the general perception of the city. What I don't like was how it was hyped up beyond imagine a few months ago, and it was supposed to be the greatest event ever in the history of everything. Recall.. all these world dignitaries and superstars were supposed to show up, like Paul McCartney, U2, the Facebook guy, the Microsoft guy, heck even Elvis and Jesus Christ. Thanks EP Times and Diario de Jrz. for yet more empty, over-blown hype. It is what it is and Cd. Juarez will be fine...
09-23-2011, 08:44 AM
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Yes...
^^^ That is the problem I see. It is a show in every sense, but that is like sweeping the dirt under the rug. Juarez wants to put on a lavish show to give the impression everything is normal. "See, even band X and dignitary X feel safe coming to Juarez", yet they are all staying in El Paso during their stay.
The problem with all this is, where is the plan to actually make it safe? You can't just have a show and say all is well. If that is the case, just hire a bunch of bands, and get Hollywood to come out and say the US economy is good. That is how this appears to me.
I'm not judging the people who go, I really am just curious how many are going and if they think it will change their mind about Juarez. The effort itself noble, but the desired outcome does not fit into reality.
09-23-2011, 06:19 PM
Location: Glory Road - El Paso, Texas (R.O)
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I'm talking about Juarez in this thread; I think the Dollar Store is in the Fountains thread.
Correct, in this thread you are talking about Juarez. You don't have a history of staying on topic however. Surely someone with your history on this board isn't objecting to that fact that I wasn't 100% on topic?
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It is a show in every sense, but that is like sweeping the dirt under the rug. Juarez wants to put on a lavish show to give the impression everything is normal. "See, even band X and dignitary X feel safe coming to Juarez", yet they are all staying in El Paso during their stay.
The problem with all this is, where is the plan to actually make it safe? You can't just have a show and say all is well. If that is the case, just hire a bunch of bands, and get Hollywood to come out and say the US economy is good. That is how this appears to me.
I still don't see what the problem is. It seems your passive aggressive need to see things fail in Juarez and El Paso is overwhelming you. I am not trying to call you out in the same way I have with Muhney or SoldierBoyBliss. I don't think you are like them. It does seem painfully clear that your inability to get the wages you wanted in El Paso have clouded your judgement. Just my opinion however.
This is one activity, one event, not some massive conspiracy to cover all the problems in Juarez. This event shouldn't change anyone's perception of Juarez because the event will not change Juarez. But it is an attempt. Somebody is doing something.
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I'm not judging the people who go, I really am just curious how many are going and if they think it will change their mind about Juarez. The effort itself noble, but the desired outcome does not fit into reality.
Something has to start the snowball effect. People can't just wait for the Hail Mary touchdown of change. It is going to take motivated people to start change. That is the point isn't it?
09-26-2011, 07:20 AM
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Any news on proposed stage?
Has anyone heard if the event will also be in El Paso? The initial plans raised the prospect of a multinational stage that spans the border,
a symbolic bridge between Juarez and El Paso it would seem to me. So far I've only heard about Juarez doing anything for the event.
09-26-2011, 08:29 PM
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^^^ That is the problem I see. It is a show in every sense, but that is like sweeping the dirt under the rug. Juarez wants to put on a lavish show to give the impression everything is normal. "See, even band X and dignitary X feel safe coming to Juarez", yet they are all staying in El Paso during their stay.
The problem with all this is, where is the plan to actually make it safe? You can't just have a show and say all is well. If that is the case, just hire a bunch of bands, and get Hollywood to come out and say the US economy is good. That is how this appears to me.
I'm not judging the people who go, I really am just curious how many are going and if they think it will change their mind about Juarez. The effort itself noble, but the desired outcome does not fit into reality.
I'm not going, I haven't heard anyone talking about it so probably I don't know anyone who is going.
I agree they should do first things first, and that is they should clear an area of crime first, then try to bring people in to spend money. I could see if they made a high, secure fence around a "safe-zone" of restaurants, clubs, shops and markets near the ports of entry and only let certain people with ID cards of some kind and fingerprinted, that tourists and people in El Paso would believe it was safe enough.
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Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
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Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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Juarez
The problem with all this is, where is the plan to actually make it safe? You can't just have a show and say all is well. If that is the case, just hire a bunch of bands, and get Hollywood to come out and say the US economy is good. That is how this appears to me. 
