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Old 09-24-2011, 01:15 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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That is really not an indicator of the candidates, but more of how the party is fragmented right now. If that is what you mean, I agree. If the party doesn't come together as unified in the end, they have problems.
Have to disagree. The problem the GOP is having is not within the party itself, but rather Independents. Basically Independents aren't impressed with Obama, but they like the crop of GOP candidates less.
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Old 09-24-2011, 02:32 AM
 
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Have to disagree. The problem the GOP is having is not within the party itself, but rather Independents. Basically Independents aren't impressed with Obama, but they like the crop of GOP candidates less.

We will have to agree to disagree I guess. I think a couple of the candidates attrack Independents, but they might not get the nomination. I think Independents are undecided for the most part at this point.
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Old 09-24-2011, 02:46 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Suck it righties. In a year you should win, you are trailing in the polls. If that doesn't tell you the American public doesn't like what you're selling, nothing will.
Post a link to whatever polls you are referring to. Not saying you're wrong or right, but without any type of link this thread is pretty much troll bait.
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Old 09-24-2011, 06:27 AM
 
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Obama was never being beaten by many Republican candidates in polling...ever. Perry was tied in a few and maybe led in one. Romney has been the only candidate leading him overall. For a sitting president who is supposed to be so well liked, to be this close to the Republican candidates when they just basically started running their campaigns should scare the Democrats to death and it does. They are trying their best to figure out what to do with Obama at this very moment.
Last week Romney and Perry were beating Obama in the polls. We're about to have an election in the middle of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. The smart money is on this being a blood bath for any incumbent. Yes, Obama's numbers are down -- but, as usual, the righties are drawing the wrong conclusion from this.

The think this is a sign that America is finally ready to tax the middle class and poor to death to give the rich even more tax cuts, and abolish Social Security and Medicare, and talk tough about Iran. None of this is true. The more the country sees the Republic candidates in the debates, the more they are swinging back toward Obama.

You say this is early in the election cycle. Yeah, I know. That means as more and more people tune in, more and more people will be reminded that the Republic Party has morphed into a soldier-jeering, death-cheering Tea Party. If the Republic Party is successful in its attempts to limit voters to only those who listen to talk radio, then the Teas aren't going to hurt the Republic chances of winning. Short of that, however, the Teas are going to be a net loss in votes to the Republics -- they may even cost the party the election.
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Old 09-24-2011, 06:31 AM
 
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He is going to lose big, if he evens gets the nomination from his own party...And that isn't even looking very good for him. I am not a rightie as you call, but you can suck on that.
You're living in la la land, where Obama is a Kenyan Communist and the Tea Party is representative of most Americans. The Democrats are not going to dump the top candidate who beats all Republic candidates in the polls. It's going to be an ugly year, not because Obama has done a bad job but because circumstances are ugly. However, the more the public sees the TEAs, the more they seem to figure Obama is the only sane choice.
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Old 09-24-2011, 06:35 AM
 
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Post a link to whatever polls you are referring to. Not saying you're wrong or right, but without any type of link this thread is pretty much troll bait.
I'm looking at the polls on the RealClearPolitics site, Dr. It's easy to go there and look for yourself.
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Old 09-24-2011, 06:46 AM
 
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west cobb is not being truthful. im not a dem or gop, im an independent, so im going to tell you guys straight.

this is the latest national poll released, its from usa today/gallup

USA Today/Gallup Poll. Sept. 15-18, 2011. N=889 registered voters nationwide. Margin of error ± 4.


"Suppose the election were being held today. If Barack Obama were the Democratic Party's candidate and [see below] were the Republican Party's candidate, who would you be more likely to vote for: Barack Obama, the Democrat or [see below], the Republican?" If unsure: "As of today, do you lean more toward Obama, the Democrat, or [see below], the Republican?" Options rotated



Obama 47 Romney 49 Neither 3 Unsure 1
Obama 50 Perry 45 Neither 3 Unsure 2

it proves me right about what i said before. obama and romney are a coin flip, and Obama would soundly defeat Perry.

WH2012: General
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Old 09-24-2011, 07:09 AM
 
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west cobb is not being truthful.
I was looking at the spread of polls on RealClearPolitics, which show Obama leading all candidates except in one poll in which Romney leads by 2. (There are several other polls showing Obama leading Romney, however.) It also shows Obama in huge leads over Perry, but only up slightly in most polls over Romney. I agree with you that Romney would be much harder for Obama to beat than Perry.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...andidates.html

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Old 09-24-2011, 07:38 AM
 
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The problem that you don't see is that Obama IS the only candidate for the Democratic party... when the nomination is done for the Republican party... the polls will show the giant rift between Obama and the GOP... Its well known that Independents are getting tired of Obama as his popularity goes down and the last election where the GOP bulldozed the Democratic incumbents and opponents shows that the Independents are only getting started and that was WITH a high Obama approval rating... so one thing is for sure, that Obama is GREATLY weakened and in a couple of months, he will be demolished... he is an idiot, he is pandering to his democratic base which also don't like him but the thing is, they ARE going to vote for him regardless... he should of pandered to the Independent, so he is a fool and so are the people who think he is doing "well" with the economy or against the GOP contenders
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Old 09-24-2011, 08:02 AM
 
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Suck it righties. In a year you should win, you are trailing in the polls. If that doesn't tell you the American public doesn't like what you're selling, nothing will.
No one has even begun to campaign against Obama yet

How long do you think the "Blame Bush" will be accepted by the american consumer out of work?
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