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Old 12-27-2011, 10:31 AM
 
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Ron Paul has too much "dedicated support". As Mike Huckabee stated recently: "Ron Paul's supporters will walk on glass to the voting booths if they have to, and they'll break the glass on the ground so they can say they did it." I don't agree with Huckabee's views, but he's right about this. How does the GOP plan to win the election when 17-25% of the GOP voters won't support any other candidate but Ron Paul?

Without Ron Paul's supporters, no one in the GOP wins. Ron Paul is the only chance the GOP has to unseat Obama.
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Old 12-27-2011, 11:00 AM
 
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Completely agree.
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Old 12-27-2011, 11:05 AM
 
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Completely disagree.

The mainstream isn't voting for Ron Paul. He and his minions turn off as many folks as they attract.
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Old 12-27-2011, 11:09 AM
 
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That may or may not be true, however without the 10% or so of Paul supporters, any Republican is going to have an uphill battle to win.
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Old 12-27-2011, 11:11 AM
 
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Yep either way u slice it obama wins. If paul wins the nomination the GOP will be so upset that a third party candidate like trump will run. If Paul doesn't win a big chunk of his supporters will not vote for rommney
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Old 12-27-2011, 12:06 PM
 
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That may or may not be true, however without the 10% or so of Paul supporters, any Republican is going to have an uphill battle to win.
Right, which proves what I've been saying all along: Paul's supporters are more interested in re-electing President Obama than anything else.
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Old 12-27-2011, 12:09 PM
 
Location: PA
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Ron Paul has too much "dedicated support". As Mike Huckabee stated recently: "Ron Paul's supporters will walk on glass to the voting booths if they have to, and they'll break the glass on the ground so they can say they did it." I don't agree with Huckabee's views, but he's right about this. How does the GOP plan to win the election when 17-25% of the GOP voters won't support any other candidate but Ron Paul?

Without Ron Paul's supporters, no one in the GOP wins. Ron Paul is the only chance the GOP has to unseat Obama.

Or maybe people will be so sick of pretenders, lairs and want freedom and support PAUL.

There is an idea worth fighting for. I guess working over broken glass is needed in order to make sure the message of liberty is heard instead of the same broken messages of more government solutions.
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Old 12-27-2011, 12:11 PM
 
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That may or may not be true, however without the 10% or so of Paul supporters, any Republican is going to have an uphill battle to win.
You're assuming that all 10% that support Paul will sit home. Is there evidence of this? What did Paul supporters do in 2008? Did they just sit home? Did they vote for Obama? McCain? Please provide numbers.

Plus, given the 'winner take all' nature of electoral votes (for the most part - I know Maine and Nebraska are different), I am not sure how 10% of the population is distributed over the nation to really affect the state-by-state electoral map. If this were a popular vote contest, then yes, that would make a huge difference. But if Paul drops out and doesn't run as a third party, I am unsure if that significantly hampers the GOP nominee.
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Old 12-27-2011, 12:21 PM
 
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Ron Paul has too much "dedicated support". As Mike Huckabee stated recently: "Ron Paul's supporters will walk on glass to the voting booths if they have to, and they'll break the glass on the ground so they can say they did it." I don't agree with Huckabee's views, but he's right about this. How does the GOP plan to win the election when 17-25% of the GOP voters won't support any other candidate but Ron Paul?

Without Ron Paul's supporters, no one in the GOP wins. Ron Paul is the only chance the GOP has to unseat Obama.
Without Paul as the nominee, Obama wins. Fact.

Paul's support, slowly but surely, is climbing nationally. And smear or no smear, once Paul gets someone's support, he doesn't lose it so easily. The reason why someone starts supporting Paul is because that person gets educated, and when you get educated, you can't get uneducated. It's like the one-way notches in those gears - you only go up, you can't go down.

So by the time finally the GOP establishment gets successful in pushing Paul out of the race, his support might be 25-30% nationally, then that entire chunk of supporters go with him (write him in, vote 3rd party, not vote etc.). Obama wins.

I challenge anyone to outline a credible scenario where ANY GOP candidate wins the general election without Ron Paul and his base.
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Old 12-27-2011, 12:23 PM
 
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Pay close attention to what is going on..the newsletters are very easily debunked and Paul' character is unquestioned when it comes to hard fact...

The "media" has continuously downplayed any positive of Ron Paul and has attempted to shove Robot Romney and every other GOP candidates down the throat of American's (usually someone catches on and that is who they run with). Obama was pitched and was quite an easy sell to America..however things are changing quickly in this nation and it is more and more difficult to manipulate the people and public opinion, although that great power is not lost..yet...

So here what you expect now that Ron Paul undoubtedly has a lead in Iowa (probably other places too but without question in Iowa)

A lot of Ron Paul bashing, a lot of talk on how Romney is so consistent, a rise in Huntsman, a rise in Santorum, more questions of whether Paul will run as a third party candidate, downplaying the importance of Iowa, NH, downplaying the longevity of Ron Paul, lots more Ron Paul allegations that won't be true, talking about how crazy and dangerous Ron Pauls ideas are to the U.S.

This will come from a lot of Academics who have been trained to present "unique" and "thought provoking" editorials, when in turn all they are doing is skewing reality in order to catch a buzz for themselves, up top orders from Murdoch will be maintain the status quo at any cost, keep smearing Paul, ANYBODY works except for him because he is not on the pay roll, Bill O Reilly same thing because he wants to keep his high paycheck, Neil Cavuto will ask good questions, CNN will help out Paul a little bit (to try and entice the younger viewers) while they will eventually try to hang him on lies because they too want to keep the status quo..

Keep in mind this..if Ron Paul has 10% of the nation who loyally supports him (in reality is probably much higher) and 30% of the nation votes, than we can safely say that Ron Paul has 1/3 of the vote locked up..

but our political system is more daunting than our financial system, in this day and age votes don't win elections, money does...but then with groups like anonymous any swindling is at risk of being exposed...a very interesting one year coming up...
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