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Old 04-19-2012, 12:51 PM
 
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Yes, Pubs prefer small government in order to:

1. Cut corners across the board without oversight. This helps those who are privileged continue to discriminate, impose unfair working conditions, give excessive perks to fat Execs, displace qualified americans with foreigners to maximize profit for the fat Execs, and preserve the good ol boy network.

2. Cut corners producing the largest oil spill in history.

3. Cut corners without oversight, so predatory lending practices can facilitate the housing and mortgage crisis.

4. Continue the incompetence by complaining about illegal immigration without doing a thing about it.

5. Allow the infrastructure to crumble.

6. Thumb their noses at the environment. Profit, profit, profit.

7. Favor their own in administering government contracts.

8. Say to hell with parks, libraries, and community centers.

9. Ignore the health care crisis.

10. Shun Medicare and Medicaid.

11. Exploit the working class.

12. Say to hell with the poor.

13. Make higher education available to only a privileged few.

14. Hold taxes low while the country goes into an economic free fall a la Bush.

15. Hurt blacks and other minorities. Nothing like promoting private businesses who can discriminate and unfairly treat blacks and other minorities without oversight and accountability.

16. Try to undo the 20th century.

No, on Ron Paul. No, on the Conservative agenda.

Enjoy President Obama's second term.
Why haven't you moved to Cuba yet? I'm sure you'd love it there. Utopia is waiting
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Old 04-19-2012, 01:04 PM
 
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Originally Posted by A_Lexus View Post
Yes, Pubs prefer small government in order to:

1. Cut corners across the board without oversight. This helps those who are privileged continue to discriminate, impose unfair working conditions, give excessive perks to fat Execs, displace qualified americans with foreigners to maximize profit for the fat Execs, and preserve the good ol boy network.

2. Cut corners producing the largest oil spill in history.

3. Cut corners without oversight, so predatory lending practices can facilitate the housing and mortgage crisis.

4. Continue the incompetence by complaining about illegal immigration without doing a thing about it.

5. Allow the infrastructure to crumble.

6. Thumb their noses at the environment. Profit, profit, profit.

7. Favor their own in administering government contracts.

8. Say to hell with parks, libraries, and community centers.

9. Ignore the health care crisis.

10. Shun Medicare and Medicaid.

11. Exploit the working class.

12. Say to hell with the poor.

13. Make higher education available to only a privileged few.

14. Hold taxes low while the country goes into an economic free fall a la Bush.

15. Hurt blacks and other minorities. Nothing like promoting private businesses who can discriminate and unfairly treat blacks and other minorities without oversight and accountability.

16. Try to undo the 20th century.

No, on Ron Paul. No, on the Conservative agenda.

Enjoy President Obama's second term.
The stupidity of the ******* left continues to know no bounds.

Obama's second term as president will be enjoyed about as much as Ted Kennedy's return to the senate and Trayvon Martin's graduation from high school.
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Old 04-19-2012, 01:05 PM
 
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Yes, Pubs prefer small government in order to:

1. Cut corners across the board without oversight. This helps those who are privileged continue to discriminate, impose unfair working conditions, give excessive perks to fat Execs, displace qualified americans with foreigners to maximize profit for the fat Execs, and preserve the good ol boy network.


2. Cut corners producing the largest oil spill in history.

3. Cut corners without oversight, so predatory lending practices can facilitate the housing and mortgage crisis.

4. Continue the incompetence by complaining about illegal immigration without doing a thing about it.

5. Allow the infrastructure to crumble.

6. Thumb their noses at the environment. Profit, profit, profit.

7. Favor their own in administering government contracts.

8. Say to hell with parks, libraries, and community centers.

9. Ignore the health care crisis.

10. Shun Medicare and Medicaid.

11. Exploit the working class.

12. Say to hell with the poor.

13. Make higher education available to only a privileged few.

14. Hold taxes low while the country goes into an economic free fall a la Bush.

15. Hurt blacks and other minorities. Nothing like promoting private businesses who can discriminate and unfairly treat blacks and other minorities without oversight and accountability.

16. Try to undo the 20th century.

No, on Ron Paul. No, on the Conservative agenda.

Enjoy President Obama's second term.
about working conditions:
quit and work as a competitor then. just need to have many laws repealed getting in the way of opening and operating businesses. only the rich or well conected can overcome all these laws/patents/regulations to open up competition.

how about competition for MTA subsidized by the government then. regulation in nyc made the vans to go to different borough say no competition has to be above the subway rates etc and thus are now regulated and taxed and cost went up. use to be less than subway rate now higher than subway rates.
nice government.

on the environment.:
look the environment like Ron Paul said property rights.
personal property rights.

if people pollute an area then people should be compensated and responsible for all clean up and damage even if they go bankrupt like a corporation i would reckon they should be held personally responsible the ceo should pay with all their own personal property and go personally bankrupt as well if they mess up. especially if they are responsible they should maybe even go to jail if there is fraud.

YOU DONT NEED environmental regulations you just need common sense. IF YOU pollute water to the point which you wont drink or fish then you are responsible for cleaning it up.
if you destroy land so much that you wont even grow food on it then you are responsible for cleaning it up.

right now it is government letting companies buy up land below you without your consent. IMO all land below you up to the earth core should be yours regardless. then if they drill under you it harms you as your home is involved in there. meaning earthquakes.

SO reason why property rights eroded ? CAN YOU SAY government eminent domain laws?

government sanctioned property rights. denying land under someone so the government can sell them to the highest bidder and screw the person above the land.
nice of government huh.
it is crony capitalism.

Infrastructure crumble = not federal government problem = state problem.
if cities want they roads fixed they do it themselves. IF NO CASH? how about asking the community to do it themselves. aka dig up some rocks make cement and fix it. wont cost them anything except donation of labor then. right? people so lazy they need to use cash for everything.

REMEMBER real wealth is production NOT FIAT.
OBAMA SUPPORTERS how about this then volunteer to do construction jobs next time then to fix the roads/ bridges if you care so much.

simply put the community does not care hence they crumble. blame the local government for that not the federal government as they should not be responsible for it imo.

that goes for all of those property problems.

healthcare:
healthcare problem = government control.
cant cross state lines to deal with insurance?


poor people:
I propose if they are poor give them a shelter home and a garden to work in to farm for food so they dont keep going out to beg for money on the trains. some intentionally do it to scam right now for a living apparently they find it lucrative to scam train passengers nowadays some make 20-30 dollars per hour or more.... like wow upper middle class right there in nyc.

some dress well even and still try to beg. quite a bit of a scam.

nope just give them a shelter and plot of land to farm for subsistence.

if they are disabled aka legs how about try programming just need hands then or maybe robotics to figure out how to cure yourself.
if they cannot speak/hear not much of a disability can do many things.
no hands? ahem speech software for typing. can still use feet etc. also can research robotics for hands.

disabled people want to be useful imo real worthy disabled people they dont want the government to give them handouts forever. those that deserve it want to be able to stand on their own 2 feet and fight themselves.

on exploit the working class:
real exploitation = federal reserve stealing money from all while giving it to the top 1% of elite the banksters. inflation doesn't matter except whom it goes to first. and currently 1% banksters are receiving it. that is the exploitation. and your gov is doing it and what ron paul says as well.
YOU are waging war on the poor yet you dont even know it.

education:
INTERNET, borrow books for free now?
blame the EMPLOYERS demanding college degrees for everything.

also blame college degrees and high school degrees for not teaching anything. and then government caused too much college degrees and then employers figure we better weed people out. and demand everyone to have degrees for jobs that dont need it or is irrelevant.
the mind set of people needing degrees to get any job is the problem. employers dont know how to test their employees so they need the degree. quite pathetic of them imo.

EDUCATION IS ON THE INTERNET RIGHT NOW go do it.

MIT IS OFFERING FREE online CLASSES RIGHT NOW BTW. TAKING THEM?
higher education is a scam.

degrees are for proving to others you know a subject yet it means NOTHING.
EXPERIENCE is more important.
hence doctors need to do residency before being a real certified doctor.

Internships + apprenticeships should = college degree imo.
but they wont do it because they want the college bubble


blame cost of education on textbook publisher cartel.
blame cost of education on worthless administration cartel union workers
teachers union the upper echelon ripping their lower productive teachers and letting them get fired while protecting the worthless top tier.
crony union anyone?

unions are fine except they are corrupt right now.

taxes low: not the problem:
the tax cuts are not the problem. the spending is. IF bush didnt go to do his patriot act and war on terrorism then maybe we wont need the tax money. sorry it was the spending not the tax cuts.
cut taxes should mean cut programs as well but bush did not do anything. HE SPENT MORE. he was NOT A CONSERVATIVE he was a neo-con.

on points 15-16
nothing to be said there as you spoke for yourself already and you yourself seem racist. why is it always the blacks or minorities.
PS I am not white btw.
fact is blacks and some minorities have a mentality that everyone owes them.

how about this whites were also slaves
Asians were slaves
Indians were slaves
etc almost all of the world were slaves.
SO YOUR POINT IS?

people can think what they want. regulations do not change the fact they are racist. NOTHING will. it is a mind set you can argue and debate them to change their minds.

LAWS DO NOTHING. it is the individual and you must change their mind set not with laws.
you seem to think laws mean anything.

LAWS/REGULATIONS MEAN NOTHING if no one wants to enforce it.

remember it is not whom makes the laws but whom enforces the laws.
congress can make all the laws they want if people don't wanna follow them then they wont.
if the police don't want to enforce it they also wont.

but having the laws on the books do open up more corruption because they can choose when they want to enforce it if they dislike you.

SEEMS you are up for more corruption.
but this is why laws should be kept clean and simple.

sorry but racism cannot be squashed with regulation like you are proposing.
and as a whole blacks do have higher crime rates. likely because they themselves have the mentality that they think other races should compensate them.

Mexican borders as well. they probably feel like the usa when they took Texas California in a war usa owes them. so it is their mentality of others owing them that is keeping them there.
Please look up Bill Cosby ahem he agrees with that and said in his speech.

tell gangs to stop polluting the streets, instead of destruction contribute to society.

poor neighborhood? how about community gardens to grow food for their community instead. no need to make it look so ghetto and run down. poor neighborhoods can still look nice if the community cares enough.

look at Detroit: destroyed by gangs profiting from the drug war. kinda a lost cause because the people there has given up but some will still fight.

of course the government there is TOTALLY WORTHLESS.
corruption basically. so what good is the government when they wont even protect you when it is too dangerous eh?

pathetic wimps the government lackeys are. that is why gun rights are important to protect yourself from thieves and worthless government.

Ron Paul is correct drug war caused price of drugs to go up and let gangs flourish.
but it is also the people's right to choose to kill themselves with drugs or not.
it is a metal disease not a criminal disease. the best you can do now is decriminalize it and take away the power of profit from drug cartels.

then you can try to educate people on drugs if you want. deal with it like you do alcohol.

anyway done with A_Lexus an obvious democrat or liberal with socialist leanings.

im neither neo-con nor socialist. I am an individual tyvm.
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Old 04-19-2012, 01:06 PM
 
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Why haven't you moved to Cuba yet? I'm sure you'd love it there. Utopia is waiting
Cubans generally don't get too impressed with people who buy their college diplomas from fake online colleges, in Cuba you actually have to become productive.
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Old 04-19-2012, 01:30 PM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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about working conditions:
quit and work as a competitor then. just need to have many laws repealed getting in the way of opening and operating businesses. only the rich or well conected can overcome all these laws/patents/regulations to open up competition.

how about competition for MTA subsidized by the government then. regulation in nyc made the vans to go to different borough say no competition has to be above the subway rates etc and thus are now regulated and taxed and cost went up. use to be less than subway rate now higher than subway rates.
nice government.

on the environment.:
look the environment like Ron Paul said property rights.
personal property rights.

if people pollute an area then people should be compensated and responsible for all clean up and damage even if they go bankrupt like a corporation i would reckon they should be held personally responsible the ceo should pay with all their own personal property and go personally bankrupt as well if they mess up. especially if they are responsible they should maybe even go to jail if there is fraud.

YOU DONT NEED environmental regulations you just need common sense. IF YOU pollute water to the point which you wont drink or fish then you are responsible for cleaning it up.
if you destroy land so much that you wont even grow food on it then you are responsible for cleaning it up.

right now it is government letting companies buy up land below you without your consent. IMO all land below you up to the earth core should be yours regardless. then if they drill under you it harms you as your home is involved in there. meaning earthquakes.

SO reason why property rights eroded ? CAN YOU SAY government eminent domain laws?

government sanctioned property rights. denying land under someone so the government can sell them to the highest bidder and screw the person above the land.
nice of government huh.
it is crony capitalism.

Infrastructure crumble = not federal government problem = state problem.
if cities want they roads fixed they do it themselves. IF NO CASH? how about asking the community to do it themselves. aka dig up some rocks make cement and fix it. wont cost them anything except donation of labor then. right? people so lazy they need to use cash for everything.

REMEMBER real wealth is production NOT FIAT.
OBAMA SUPPORTERS how about this then volunteer to do construction jobs next time then to fix the roads/ bridges if you care so much.

simply put the community does not care hence they crumble. blame the local government for that not the federal government as they should not be responsible for it imo.

that goes for all of those property problems.

healthcare:
healthcare problem = government control.
cant cross state lines to deal with insurance?


poor people:
I propose if they are poor give them a shelter home and a garden to work in to farm for food so they dont keep going out to beg for money on the trains. some intentionally do it to scam right now for a living apparently they find it lucrative to scam train passengers nowadays some make 20-30 dollars per hour or more.... like wow upper middle class right there in nyc.

some dress well even and still try to beg. quite a bit of a scam.

nope just give them a shelter and plot of land to farm for subsistence.

if they are disabled aka legs how about try programming just need hands then or maybe robotics to figure out how to cure yourself.
if they cannot speak/hear not much of a disability can do many things.
no hands? ahem speech software for typing. can still use feet etc. also can research robotics for hands.

disabled people want to be useful imo real worthy disabled people they dont want the government to give them handouts forever. those that deserve it want to be able to stand on their own 2 feet and fight themselves.

on exploit the working class:
real exploitation = federal reserve stealing money from all while giving it to the top 1% of elite the banksters. inflation doesn't matter except whom it goes to first. and currently 1% banksters are receiving it. that is the exploitation. and your gov is doing it and what ron paul says as well.
YOU are waging war on the poor yet you dont even know it.

education:
INTERNET, borrow books for free now?
blame the EMPLOYERS demanding college degrees for everything.

also blame college degrees and high school degrees for not teaching anything. and then government caused too much college degrees and then employers figure we better weed people out. and demand everyone to have degrees for jobs that dont need it or is irrelevant.
the mind set of people needing degrees to get any job is the problem. employers dont know how to test their employees so they need the degree. quite pathetic of them imo.

EDUCATION IS ON THE INTERNET RIGHT NOW go do it.

MIT IS OFFERING FREE online CLASSES RIGHT NOW BTW. TAKING THEM?
higher education is a scam.

degrees are for proving to others you know a subject yet it means NOTHING.
EXPERIENCE is more important.
hence doctors need to do residency before being a real certified doctor.

Internships + apprenticeships should = college degree imo.
but they wont do it because they want the college bubble

blame cost of education on textbook publisher cartel.
blame cost of education on worthless administration cartel union workers
teachers union the upper echelon ripping their lower productive teachers and letting them get fired while protecting the worthless top tier.
crony union anyone?

unions are fine except they are corrupt right now.

taxes low: not the problem:
the tax cuts are not the problem. the spending is. IF bush didnt go to do his patriot act and war on terrorism then maybe we wont need the tax money. sorry it was the spending not the tax cuts.
cut taxes should mean cut programs as well but bush did not do anything. HE SPENT MORE. he was NOT A CONSERVATIVE he was a neo-con.

on points 15-16
nothing to be said there as you spoke for yourself already and you yourself seem racist. why is it always the blacks or minorities.
PS I am not white btw.
fact is blacks and some minorities have a mentality that everyone owes them.

how about this whites were also slaves
Asians were slaves
Indians were slaves
etc almost all of the world were slaves.
SO YOUR POINT IS?

people can think what they want. regulations do not change the fact they are racist. NOTHING will. it is a mind set you can argue and debate them to change their minds.

LAWS DO NOTHING. it is the individual and you must change their mind set not with laws.
you seem to think laws mean anything.

LAWS/REGULATIONS MEAN NOTHING if no one wants to enforce it.

remember it is not whom makes the laws but whom enforces the laws.
congress can make all the laws they want if people don't wanna follow them then they wont.
if the police don't want to enforce it they also wont.

but having the laws on the books do open up more corruption because they can choose when they want to enforce it if they dislike you.

SEEMS you are up for more corruption.
but this is why laws should be kept clean and simple.

sorry but racism cannot be squashed with regulation like you are proposing.
and as a whole blacks do have higher crime rates. likely because they themselves have the mentality that they think other races should compensate them.

Mexican borders as well. they probably feel like the usa when they took Texas California in a war usa owes them. so it is their mentality of others owing them that is keeping them there.
Please look up Bill Cosby ahem he agrees with that and said in his speech.

tell gangs to stop polluting the streets, instead of destruction contribute to society.

poor neighborhood? how about community gardens to grow food for their community instead. no need to make it look so ghetto and run down. poor neighborhoods can still look nice if the community cares enough.

look at Detroit: destroyed by gangs profiting from the drug war. kinda a lost cause because the people there has given up but some will still fight.

of course the government there is TOTALLY WORTHLESS.
corruption basically. so what good is the government when they wont even protect you when it is too dangerous eh?

pathetic wimps the government lackeys are. that is why gun rights are important to protect yourself from thieves and worthless government.

Ron Paul is correct drug war caused price of drugs to go up and let gangs flourish.
but it is also the people's right to choose to kill themselves with drugs or not.
it is a metal disease not a criminal disease. the best you can do now is decriminalize it and take away the power of profit from drug cartels.

then you can try to educate people on drugs if you want. deal with it like you do alcohol.

anyway done with A_Lexus an obvious democrat or liberal with socialist leanings.

im neither neo-con nor socialist. I am an individual tyvm.

Very well said. I'm not sure I fully agree with you on people with disabilities, but you're right, most of those with disabilities do want to stand on their own 2 feet.

Oh and BTW Alexus... I'm not a "PUB" MMMKAY! Nor am I a bleeding heart liberal. The bottomline the government is bloated, oversized, and both parties have proven time and again that they can be bought and paid for, and therefore do not do what is in the best interest of the American people. Your Democratic Party is not immune to this. I live in NE Ohio which is a Democrat stronghold. 2 very well known political figureheads in Cleveland were recently taken down for corruption, bribes, and racketeering. Guess what? They were DEMOCRATS! But hey, keep believing that ONLY the Democrats have the people's best interest in mind! MMMM-MMMM that Kool-aide must taste great!
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Old 04-19-2012, 01:33 PM
 
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Not only have I been to Cuba many times, I'm very welcome there because of the services I provide and my college diploma didn't come from an online "university" like some people.

Don't be stupid, you can't twist my words no matter how hard you try son.
So you work for the Communists, good to know.
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Old 04-19-2012, 01:58 PM
 
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Good question. Let's look at who many of Paul's supporters are, college students, and guess what most college students do, they get student loans. So when is Paul going to inform those students there will be no more government student loans? My guess is NEVER, because the same man that is smart enough to hide out in the Republican Party to get elected is also smart enough to know that if he were completely honest he would lose over half of the small 10 to 15% of voters he has now. The problem for Paul it many people Do look at his ideas and what they would actually mean for America and Americans and that is why Paul will never be President of the United States of America, nor will anyone that shares his ideas in the future. Still laughing now?
Paul would be doing them a favor

Actually students would be well advised not to even take out a student
loan. They are not dischargeable in a bankruptcy court and with
compounded interest during periods of forbearance, unemployment,
they will end up owing two, three times what they borrowed.

Get a scholarship or have a college prepaid plan.
The whole Student Loan Marketing Association/Sallie Mae scam just
added to the increase of tuition at campuses.
Don't get me started on student loans
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Old 04-19-2012, 02:18 PM
 
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The problem with American is lack of financial education. Personal financial is subject that should be taught starting from grade school, but instead, they removed it from the curriculum by the Dept of Education.

Loan can be good and bad. But for most people, they cannot tell the different. I remembered a Discover Card commercial from college (10 years ago), where the parent giving his college kid a Discover Card and inform him use only for emergency.

For "emergency" mean to the college kid, buying beer for a party, paying for pizza, etc etc.
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Old 04-19-2012, 02:54 PM
 
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So you work for the Communists, good to know.
I help people in need on a volunteer basis, I don't "work" for anyone in Cuba.

Any other ignorant sideline comments you want to throw in before you run away?
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Old 04-20-2012, 01:42 PM
 
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Paul would be doing them a favor

Actually students would be well advised not to even take out a student
loan. They are not dischargeable in a bankruptcy court and with
compounded interest during periods of forbearance, unemployment,
they will end up owing two, three times what they borrowed.

Get a scholarship or have a college prepaid plan.
The whole Student Loan Marketing Association/Sallie Mae scam just
added to the increase of tuition at campuses.
Don't get me started on student loans
And if he were truely Honest he would tell that to their faces, he could time it to see how fast the hall empties.
Not all kids qualify for a scholarship, even ones with good grades and not all of them have the money to put away at the time before college. Oh wait, you only think of those with advantages due to birth, my bad.
As I said, he should be honest with them then they could see what at least one of his ideas would result in and get them thinking on his other ideas, then they would see why so few adults support him now and in the past.
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