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So what's factually incorrect in what Smash said? Go back, do some digging, and try to back up your "BS" comment with facts. (Hint--you can't, because that's how it played out. The unions did agree to all the concessions before they went through with the budget reform bill anyway, and the R's did file recalls first). The exit polls were pretty clear that regardless, a big chunk of people didn't think the recall was the way to go on principle, but that doesn't mean that the labor groups who organized it didn't have a reason to be upset.
At the end of the day, Walker winning was a morale buster for labor (they won Ohio, they lost here) but it really doesn't change much. States that have a R governor, House and Senate are already pushing through anti labor legislation, and they're going really extreme on social issues. Walker winning or losing doesn't change that. If more states become entirely R controlled, the same thing will happen elsewhere after November. If R's lose control in one body or another in those states, it will stop. My biggest concern is that this is going to further radicalize the extreme end of the R base, and they're going to go off on a bat poop crazy limb--even further than things like the personhood amendments they've been pushing--and voters are going to backlash completely on the R party.
You keep calling conservatives the "extremists" even in the face of record high turnout in which people advocating cradle-to-grave government and unsustainable entitlement programs got crushed.
When will you realize that you are the extremist and not Scott Walker or any other fiscally sound conservative?
Last edited by CaseyB; 06-07-2012 at 04:54 AM..
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Well in the fantasy world that the media has created for Obama, they will recall the recall as a win for Obama and the unions as they rewrite our history. Not a problem for the Dems at all.
You keep calling conservatives the "extremists" even in the face of record high turnout in which people advocating cradle-to-grave government and unsustainable entitlement programs got crushed.
When will you realize that you are the extremist and not Scott Walker or any other fiscally sound conservative?
The exit polling doesn't back up your comments about the reason behind the vote. Seventy percent thought the recall was wrong on principle--that they shouldn't be held unless there's official misconduct. I tend to agree with that postion, but I get why labor was so upset, and why they did what they did. They took a risk and they failed. Eighty percent said their financial situation was worse or hadn't changed in the last two years--that doesn't sound like resounding support for Walker's reforms. http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...xit-polls.html
Passing legislation that declares the beginning of a pregnancy two weeks before conception (Arizona) or that bans most forms of birth control (personhood amendments) is very extreme and radical by just about every measure. Many conservatives aren't extremists--they're pro small business development, pro smaller government, and full of common sense--that's the camp I fall into. The last round of elections pushed a whole bunch of bat poop crazy radical nuts into office that ARE extreme. Do you ever read the news (I take it that's a no) to watch the fighting between the extreme, big government end of the R party and the rest of the conservatives in Congress? It's not pretty. I'm great with real conservatives holding public office--I even have a few in my family. I'm very concerned about big, intrusive government republicans winning lots of seats and trying to take complete control of the party.
As far as Scott Walker goes, my biggest gripe with him is I'm betting they kept a criminal in office. That isn't going to be pretty for the party if the investigation not only includes indictments for Walker, but also for major R donors.
Nah, they'll focus their attention on the "criminal case" they are trumping up. They started it before the recall happened just in case they lost. There's ALWAYS a plan B.
Nah, they'll focus their attention on the "criminal case" they are trumping up. They started it before the recall happened just in case they lost. There's ALWAYS a plan B.
You think installing a secret router to get around the county system so you can use county employees and equipment for campaign work is "trumped up?" Think again. Walker's chief of staff (already indicted for stealing from a veterans fund) is being granted immunity now to testify against him on the election fraud issues. It's serious stuff, and it says something about you that you don't think so as well.
Nah, they'll focus their attention on the "criminal case" they are trumping up. They started it before the recall happened just in case they lost. There's ALWAYS a plan B.
Uh... The Wisconsin Attorney General started the criminal investigation. It was directed at Walker's top aide, and spread to Walker himself. The DOJ got involved when it was discovered to be a Federal crime in addition to a State crime.
Who's 'trumping up' here? The AG of Wisconsin? Or is it only in your mind? Either way, the case is well under way, and we'll all see what happens soon enough.
It would be very ironic if the only Governor to withstand a recall was to be impeached for breaking the law afterward. If convicted, he would not be the first Governor to go to jail, so that's one record that won't be broken. But he might own the record of being the only one to be both recalled and impeached and sent to jail after impeachment.
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