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Of course Nam vets were spit on. All of them? No. But it happened. Not sure what that has to do with Romney....
I served. I don't care. Just a guess, but I'd bet more than half the young men during the Nam era got deferments. If they wanted to go to college, that's what they did. It was standard practice. Most didn't want to go. The U.S. wasn't exactly under attack by the Vietcong.
Speaking of myths (earlier), the rich thing is mostly just that. Yes, it's true that going to college could keep you from being drafted, provided that you didn't flunk out. But you didn't NEED to be from a rich family to attend college. There were inexpensive colleges then too. One I considered attending cost under $600 per semester. And there were scholarships. Grants. Loans. If you had the aptitude for college work and wanted to go, you could go. If you did, deferments were automatic.
In a way, it is. Young Mormon men are expected to serve as missionaries for, I believe, two years. (Not sure of time frame.) Romney has certainly shown that he's a devote Mormon over the years, as he continued to serve his church and donate generously to it over the years.
Again, he had a college deferment. He was smart enough that he didn't need his daddy's money for that. He didn't need it to be a missionary either.
As for the draft lottery and Romney drawing a number.... he didn't draw a number, in case that's what you believe. The number was the date of his birth. Every eligible male born on his birthday had the same number, so that was pretty hard to change. Those numbers were drawn once each year.
I would REALLY like to see just one of the "many times" where Romney has stated that he "plans to start a new war with Iran" -- with reliable witnesses, of course. That should be easy for you, since he's stated it many times. Show us one quote from mainstream media or retract it.
I think he still is. I was taught in school 50 years ago that America could never be brought down by an external force... that it would be from an internal force, whittling away at the Constitution. That's happening now.
So you did or did not? Did you enlist, fight? Or did you not because your MOM asked you not to? If it's the latter, you DID NOT volunteer.
Again, "no doubt?" I have doubt. I have serious doubt. Why would he need his daddy to make phone calls? He was in college, then he was a missionary, then back to college.
I volunteered and the day I went to boot camp the last thing on the TV was our tanks rolling into Kuwait. But it was all over by the time I could make any difference. The boys were just to damn good.
I am not in the slightest ill-informed ... those Americans are KFOR troops, which are there as part of a UN Mandate, joint command with NATO backing ... they weren't committed to that duty by any U.S. President, but rather by international policy agreements with NATO and the U.N.
Furthermore, there are fewer than 1,500 Americans in that force, total ... they do not engage in combat operations ... they are border patrol. There is ZERO comparison to placing millions of troops in active war zones on the ground in two actions over the past ten years at the loss of thousands of lives and tens of thousands of casualties. ZERO.
Huh. Aside from you and I being polar opposites ... my point was the same in essence. Either side claiming moral high ground is "nullified" in all these issues. That is not to say, however, that an individual candidate's personal history is immaterial. It is to say that party affiliation on either side is not a guarantee of sanctity.
As for your last claim / line -- I have no idea who / what you refer to ... illuminate me ...
last line. Barny Fwank
i do agree that both parties are full of amoral people. however, i am tired of dems telling me my guy is not qualified on moral grounds.
dems dont just have amoral fools, they keep re-electing them.
Democrats only hate war that gives them a political advantage to hate.
You can vote whomever you wish ... this is America.
But if you are trying to positively influence anyone's opinion toward your position by hoot and holler in a manner reminiscent of a high school sophomore at a townie football game, as you do, well ...
Now then, you can go Google yourself and find opposing surveys -- most all from highly partisan blogger opinions -- that say the opposite of the above linked Reuters survey -- but the point is, there's no real concensus at this point for your blather.
No but his administration sure has had a lot of security leaks regarding Afghanistan. Were his Hollywood buddies given access to Bin Laden's demise? Has his administration been leaking classifeid documents on his "kill list" and Iran?
Romney had deferals, he did not dodge. I would think that those against "war mongers" would be happy he was involved in non violent religious endeavors at the time but I guess that is just an act.
Could Clinton have gotton Bin Laden during the 10 years that we weren't at war?
Romney had deferals to do missionary work among the millionaiires in Paris!! That's a laugh, as funny as Rush's anal cyst or Cheyneys yellow stripe. Since none of them are capable of defending their country don't wish them on me
I have never understood why people make a big deal over stuff like this. Mitt Romney is 65 years old. President Obama is 50. Like or dislike Romney's deferrals, he LEGALLY did not serve in Vietnam when HE WAS IN HIS TWENTIES! President Obama participated in some questionable organizations and activities as a young and barely legal adult. I will not judge either man today for their actions as younger (and more foolish) men. Anyone who does has forgotten what its was like to be young. Young people do things, the memories of which often embarrass them when they are older.
This is a non-issue to me, and likely to a lot of other voters too.
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