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Great news for the democrats and freedom indeed! The election has now been called for Barber (D) in the AZ-8 congressional special election whom is +8 at the moment.
This was another election that pitted out of state, big corporate interest groups like Rove, Dick Armey, and the radical right wing freedomworks for the (R) Kelly vs. in state, small donations for the democrat Barber.
This is also important on the national level with AZ teetering on becoming a swing state, putting Obama strongly in the hunt to win.
Last edited by TempesT68; 06-12-2012 at 11:02 PM..
Great news for the democrats and freedom indeed! The election has now been called for Barber (D) in the AZ-8 congressional special election whom is +8 at the moment.
This was another election that pitted out of state, big corporate interest groups like Rove, Dick Armey, and the radical right wing freedomworks for the (R) Kelly vs. in state, small donations for the democrat Barber.
This is also important on the national level with AZ teetering on becoming a swing state, putting Obama strongly in the hunt to win.
Karl Rove and Dick Armey and his Freedom Works crazies are not exactly in the same camp. Truth be told I am pretty sure Karl Rove can't stand them as much as you can't.
Karl Rove and Dick Armey and his Freedom Works crazies are not exactly in the same camp. Truth be told I am pretty sure Karl Rove can't stand them as much as you can't.
Rove is hard right while Armney and freedomworks are off the charts right. Though in the end still have the same agenda, and lost in this election
Republican special interests threw a lot of money toward Kelly trying to embarrass Obama with a victory here. They failed. But I think you are trying to make too much of it by inferring that it has much in the way of implications for the presidential election. If anything, it was a testing ground for advertising approaches in the fall. The Dems successfully emphasized the extremism of the Republican candidate while the Reps bad-mouthed the ACA and Obama. Maybe people, especially the elderly, are catching on to what the Republicans have planned for them should they prevail this fall.
Republican special interests threw a lot of money toward Kelly trying to embarrass Obama with a victory here. They failed. But I think you are trying to make too much of it by inferring that it has much in the way of implications for the presidential election. If anything, it was a testing ground for advertising approaches in the fall. The Dems successfully emphasized the extremism of the Republican candidate while the Reps bad-mouthed the ACA and Obama. Maybe people, especially the elderly, are catching on to what the Republicans have planned for them should they prevail this fall.
I doubt what you are saying has much to do with Kelly's defeat. Regardless of who was ahead in the polls even a few days ago, you are talking about a Dem rreplacing another Democrat, you are talking about sympathy voting (which any of us might do) and the only time this would have made a huge difference would be had Kelly won. This wasn't a victory or failure for either side.
I doubt what you are saying has much to do with Kelly's defeat. Regardless of who was ahead in the polls even a few days ago, you are talking about a Dem rreplacing another Democrat, you are talking about sympathy voting (which any of us might do) and the only time this would have made a huge difference would be had Kelly won. This wasn't a victory or failure for either side.
Try to belittle it as you will, this is a huge victory for the DEMS.
Just goes to show that people are starting to realise how crazy the right is.
This was another election that pitted out of state, big corporate interest groups like Rove, Dick Armey, and the radical right wing freedomworks for the (R) Kelly vs. in state, small donations for the democrat Barber.
More money was spent for Barber I believe, I believe even if you add in the money spent by outside groups (and, don't forget, outside groups spent some money to help Barber as well). Furthermore, Kelly got plenty of small donations himself.
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Originally Posted by TempesT68
This is also important on the national level with AZ teetering on becoming a swing state, putting Obama strongly in the hunt to win.
AZ is not a swing state. This is one district in the state that is a swing district and, obviously, it's more Democratic than the state as a whole. Giffords was even able to re-elected even in the 2010 Republican wave.
It looks like Barber ended up winning the election by only 6 points. There was one poll I'm aware of done for this race - a PPP poll that had Barber up by 12.
Even in this poll (that significantly oversampled Democrats), Obama's approval in the district is only 44%. Unless something significant changes, Obama will not win this district - which is more Democratic than the state of AZ as a whole.
The last AZ statewide poll for the presidential election that I'm aware of was also a PPP poll. Even PPP had Romney up by 7:
PPP has constantly oversampled Democrats in its state polling this election cycle and put out polls far more favorable to Democrats than the vast majority of other polls conducted in the same states around the same time.
Obama's statewide approval in this poll was 41%.
Last edited by afoigrokerkok; 06-13-2012 at 08:17 AM..
So a dem replaced a dem with a sympathy vote and you think it means something special as though AZ now loves obama? OK...
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Originally Posted by banjomike
Sorry Ed- your laundry didn't wash.
Kelly was ahead until very recently. The wing nuts running Arizona thought he would be a sure thing.
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Originally Posted by nmnita
I doubt what you are saying has much to do with Kelly's defeat. Regardless of who was ahead in the polls even a few days ago, you are talking about a Dem rreplacing another Democrat, you are talking about sympathy voting (which any of us might do) and the only time this would have made a huge difference would be had Kelly won. This wasn't a victory or failure for either side.
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Originally Posted by trlhiker
Try to belittle it as you will, this is a huge victory for the DEMS.
Just goes to show that people are starting to realise how crazy the right is.
It was a sympathy vote. Plain and simple. If I had lived in that district, I would have felt guilty for voting for Kelly (and I would have voted for him in 2010 and for previous Republican candidates in previous elections for the seat). Not to mention that Giffords is a moderate Democrat and I'm sure people think that Barber is as well. The district is pretty well mixed between Democratic voters and Republican voters - probably a lot of moderate voters.
As far as this idea that Kelly was ahead in the polls, he wasn't. I'm aware of one single poll. It was conducted in the past few days and had Barber up by 12.
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The election has now been called for Barber (D) in the AZ-8 congressional special election whom is +8 at the moment.
