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Old 06-14-2012, 10:17 AM
 
Location: west mich
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and who did this brillant study? Oh I know who did it? I don't know the name of the group but it was a bunch of people, Obama hired off the street a few months ago, so he could show us how he was personally bringing down the unemployment rate.
Nita
Obama did not make this "study".
For one thing the present-day Republican Party has adopted the southern regional "heritage" of white racism from the earlier Democrats. Racists need a political party and the repubs have welcomed them in exchange for their votes. This doesn't mean that all Republicans are racists. Since there are not enough wealthy votes, they must recruit whomever they can get - the religious right, teabaggers, fascists, corporatists, dupes (the role of Fox), racists, - anybody who will sign on.
Thus their hatred of, and the ongoing vitriol toward, our first black President. They are so emotionally distraught, that a lie, fabrication, or other falsehood is just as good as a truth in dealing with their "problem", and they may not even discern the difference. It's all over the media and this forum.
There was a British study which followed a group of people from kindergarten into adulthood. One result of the study (not the focus) was that the biggest crybabies and complainers in youth tended to become conservatives in adulthood. The kids who were fear-driven and anxious about not getting their way and being in control, remained so throughout their lives (at least into adulthood).
Researchers in the U.K. found that children with low intelligence are more likely to grow up to be social conservatives and racists.
Edit: these are the people whom Fox, successfully, has been after for 30 years.

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Old 06-14-2012, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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When are you lefties going to stop blaming BUSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
IIRC, the GOP was still blaming Clinton until Obama was inaugurated, and Bill left the country in good shape when he left office.

Bush will be remembered in History, and talked about in political science classes for decades to come.

That's a threat that should bother anyone who supported him.
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Old 06-14-2012, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Seems to me that almost all the outrageous claims of how incompetent Obama is are outright lies. Did he cause the recession? No. Did he start the bailouts? No. Would the economy have been better under the GOP? Hell NO! Is he a socialist? No. Is he a foreign spy? No. Is he a Mulsim? No. Etc.,etc.

The desire to make Obama a one term President has debased the GOP. It has turned McConnell into a gross caricature of a leader, who wants to destroy Obama more than to do his job for the country. The Tea Party fringe, full of hypocritical fury and claiming to be fiscally conservative, but going down on Grover Norquist is disgusting and transparently phony. The cheering and high fiving from the right after every bad job report, stock market drop, or rumble from Europe, is all just disgraceful. Bottomline, none of this earns respect, and even if someone can throw a turd at Obama and make it stick, it is just not an honest or honorable way to do business. Let's face it, Obama is a strong president, and Biden is a good man too. They are dealing with a sucky hand (for America, not just for reelection), with no assistant and plenty of backstabbing by the GOP. Trying to make Obama look like an idiot only gets us Dems in a fighting mood, and it takes about 0.1 nanosecond to think of the last buffoon you all put in office and reelected, the wars, etc., etc.,etc., and general nastiness ensues. So, truce. I personally want to forget about W and look forward.

How about conceding 2012, or at least backing off the scorched earth tactics. Romney will likely lose anyway. But more importantly, get to work and help get our country out of this recession. Cut the horse ****, a build a constructive resume we can all admire, with Obama and the Dems. The pendulum will swing back by 2016. Trust me, we (the Dems) will not find anyone of Obama's caliber for 2016, and if they trust them, folks will likely be ready to give the GOP a shot. But someone who will provide some continuity and sound leadership. Put forward an intelligent candidate in 2016, like Romney or Christy or Huntman, and show the independents that the GOP loves America more than it wants power by any means. The 2012 season and most of the last two years have made so I would never want to support a GOP candidate in my lifetime. What thinking person would reward arrogant, intolerant, generally caustic zealots with power? At present, party seems to be run by lying, or possibly deranged scum.

The GOP needs to mend some fences, IMO, not threaten to burn down the ranch if you don't get your way.
I don't disagree with your motions but instead of telling us what he didn't do, tell us what Obama has done..
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Old 06-14-2012, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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I don't disagree with your motions but instead of telling us what he didn't do, tell us what Obama has done..

That's not the point of this thread. I am not into defending O here, just giving a Public Service Announcement to guide my GOP brethren back into the fold of rational, patriotic Americans. Start doing good, bipartisan things, and you'll get the Presidency. Keep acting like toddlers and you won't.
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Old 06-14-2012, 03:58 PM
 
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That's not the point of this thread. I am not into defending O here, just giving a Public Service Announcement to guide my GOP brethren back into the fold of rational, patriotic Americans. Start doing good, bipartisan things, and you'll get the Presidency. Keep acting like toddlers and you won't.
But you think the GOP should just concede.. Dont you think you should be able to list accomplishments if you think the opponent shouldnt even bother?
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Old 06-14-2012, 10:04 PM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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But you think the GOP should just concede.. Dont you think you should be able to list accomplishments if you think the opponent shouldnt even bother?
Nah, my premise is that the GOP has been so incredibly divisive and lame, we (most non party faithful) loathe them, and with very good reason. We don't loathe Obama, at all. They keep trying to trash Obama, but they just look nasty, and rightly so.

It is too late for 2012. Battle on if you want, lie some more-that's all you have, but the GOP has so disgraced itself with obstructionism and scorched earth approaches, it will not fly. And all of this self-serving swill while the country is in intensive care ( You all get the John Edwards award!). You want power, show you can do something good for America, really. It has nothing to do with Obama's accomplishments, which strategically the GOP has been trying to limit the whole time. No, you don't win by creating deadlock then saying the other guy is feckless. We're not buying that snowjob.
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Old 06-15-2012, 12:22 AM
 
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Obama did not make this "study".
For one thing the present-day Republican Party has adopted the southern regional "heritage" of white racism from the earlier Democrats. Racists need a political party and the repubs have welcomed them in exchange for their votes. This doesn't mean that all Republicans are racists. Since there are not enough wealthy votes, they must recruit whomever they can get - the religious right, teabaggers, fascists, corporatists, dupes (the role of Fox), racists, - anybody who will sign on.
Thus their hatred of, and the ongoing vitriol toward, our first black President. They are so emotionally distraught, that a lie, fabrication, or other falsehood is just as good as a truth in dealing with their "problem", and they may not even discern the difference. It's all over the media and this forum.
There was a British study which followed a group of people from kindergarten into adulthood. One result of the study (not the focus) was that the biggest crybabies and complainers in youth tended to become conservatives in adulthood. The kids who were fear-driven and anxious about not getting their way and being in control, remained so throughout their lives (at least into adulthood).
Researchers in the U.K. found that children with low intelligence are more likely to grow up to be social conservatives and racists.
Edit: these are the people whom Fox, successfully, has been after for 30 years.
so a question

what types of people become
FISCALLY conservative

and

socially liberal?


sure as hell both sides are fiscally UNCONSERVATIVE
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Old 06-15-2012, 02:44 AM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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You hate the blame game - yet you blame. Yeah, let's look around like you say. Put the blame where it belongs.
The Bush tax cuts are supposed to be creating jobs like crazy as we speak. Reaganomics and repug deregulated trickle-down are still in effect. Obama has continued the repub policies. We are still in a right-wing economy. Repug policies sent us into depression and crash-and-burn in 2007 (how soon you forget). So yeah, let's go back to Reagan and Bush and see if anything worse can be done - that'll do the trick.
You righties stomp your feet, whine, because you want your mess cleaned up so that you can go back to playing again. Obama didn't mess up your room - you should have kept it clean prior to 2008.
Exactly how did Republican (I have not heard of "Repugs") policies send us into a "depression" and "crash-and-burn?"
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Old 06-15-2012, 02:47 AM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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IIRC, the GOP was still blaming Clinton until Obama was inaugurated, and Bill left the country in good shape when he left office.

Bush will be remembered in History, and talked about in political science classes for decades to come.

That's a threat that should bother anyone who supported him.
The economy was going downhill when Clinton left office and became a recession in March, 2001.

Every president will be remembered in history... the question is will they be remembered accurately or by rewriting history?
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Old 06-15-2012, 03:08 PM
 
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Now, I worded that title poorly, and this thread might seem like a desperate Dem attempt to derail democracy. Fair enough.

But really the insight I had this morning was for the long-term good of the GOP and our country. Why don't we work together for the good of the country NOW, and if we do, I think the natural political cycle will reward the GOP in 2016. The outrage over Obama is just complete theater, and everyone knows it. He is certainly worthy of a second term if W was. By trying incessantly to screw Obama, they only screw America, and in the end themselves. You have to build good will across the spectrum, and the GOP has failed miserably at that.

You know, I feel like this insight is a personal epiphany, but judging by the 2012 GOP field, I suspect the smarter GOP candidates made this decision a couple years ago.

Again, for the GOP. How about earning the respect of your country again, and being rewarded with trust. You can only do that if you focus on innovating, not destroying.
Obama screwed himself and this country
for you to say that it is all lies about what kind of a mess he has made is really
amazing to me!
He likes to harp on and on about Bush, what the hell did he do when he got elected??
spend us into the ground even more
run around the world kissing ass and saying how terrible we are!
he had the white house, the senate, and congress for 2 years and he got EVERYTHING he wanted!!
It is his failed polices that have done this
so he needs to get his ass kicked good by the voters of this country in Nov
he is the worst piece of shi* I have ever seen
and I think Romney is going to win by a landslide!
But I think obama is delusional he is so out of touch thinking he is sinking like a rock in the polls and not just here, around the globe!
Hell no, he does not know what he is doing, and I bet when he does loose HUGE, they will have the physically drag him out!
what a looser and the people that support him are either as batty as he is or just can not bring themselves
to admit they screwed up voting for the hack!
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