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Old 06-23-2012, 07:05 PM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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All profit is bad, all business is bad, all bankers are evil, capitalism is horrible, and Bain/Romney are the worst of all--we hear what you are saying.

Now go freeze to death in the dark. Or continue on that long, desparate slide towards total stagnation, the final failure of "fairness," the point at which you have run out of other people's money. Good intentions won't power our world, grow our food, or provide shelter.

This isn't a hit piece on Romney. It is a hit piece on civilization.
What you mean by "civilization" is the world that conservatives want to return to, which was good 'ol medieval Serfdom and Social Darwinism (aka "know your place"), where the so-called "Free market" enabled the sharks to hoard all the capital at the expense of everyone else.

Meanwhile, there are plenty of places where folks are happy and where civilization seems to get along just fine... without the likes of "vulture capitalists" like Romney. Although if that's the system you prefer, I understand China is quite nice this time of year...
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Old 06-23-2012, 07:18 PM
 
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What you mean by "civilization" is the world that conservatives want to return to, which was good 'ol medieval Serfdom and Social Darwinism (aka "know your place"), where the so-called "Free market" enabled the sharks to hoard all the capital at the expense of everyone else.

Meanwhile, there are plenty of places where folks are happy and where civilization seems to get along just fine... without the likes of "vulture capitalists" like Romney. Although if that's the system you prefer, I understand China is quite nice this time of year...
You want to go back to Jamestown's communist ways of lazy indolent people that led to starving time where over the half the population could easily be wiped in a year.

Yes, this is a silly argument like yours. Let's stop talking in outrageous platitudes.
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Old 06-23-2012, 07:29 PM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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You want to go back to Jamestown's communist ways of lazy indolent people that led to starving time where over the half the population could easily be wiped in a year.

Yes, this is a silly argument like yours. Let's stop talking in outrageous platitudes.
You mean like suggesting that not voting for Romney is the end of civilization as we know it?

And BTW, Sweden isn't Jamestown....
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Old 06-23-2012, 07:32 PM
 
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What you mean by "civilization" is the world that conservatives want to return to, which was good 'ol medieval Serfdom and Social Darwinism (aka "know your place"), where the so-called "Free market" enabled the sharks to hoard all the capital at the expense of everyone else.

Meanwhile, there are plenty of places where folks are happy and where civilization seems to get along just fine... without the likes of "vulture capitalists" like Romney. Although if that's the system you prefer, I understand China is quite nice this time of year...
The more you get government involved, and dictating policies, the more hoarding which exists. Why on gods earth do you not realize this?

yes, I very much prefer a free market society where EVERYONE who wants to succeed, can, whereas you seem to prefer a society where only those connected to government, those given permission, those who can afford to buy legislation.

Weird.
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Old 06-23-2012, 07:35 PM
 
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And I believe the technical description for that is called "China-fication"....
It is what it is.
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Old 06-23-2012, 07:37 PM
 
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Excellent Mateo.

A democracy is NOT DESIGNED to be run like a for profit business. The whole foundation of the Labor Movement in the US was to bring democratic, humanistic principles to the workplace (the very first organized labor efforts occurred within MONTHS of the establishment of the very first factory, the cotton mills of Lowell Mass). DECENT (not OBSCENE) profits, decent wages, and safe working conditions made for a sustainable system, and an affluent middle class. It was the bringing of AMERICAN principles to the workplace that made this country great.

There is no one who says businesses shouldn't be profitable. But there is a difference between PROFIT and GREED.

At a certain point, technology permitted US companies to ship jobs overseas, where they could increase profits by exploiting cheap labor. So instead of making $$$$, the companies made $$$$$$$$'s. But what about the American workers left without jobs, and cities left to decay?

Now we are at a point where the American Middle Class CAN'T AFFORD TO BUY THE STUFF AMERICAN COMPANIES PRODUCE.

That is the key to the current crisis, that Romney's "business experience" helped usher in.

Nah.
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