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Old 08-14-2012, 10:03 AM
 
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On CNN [yesterday], Obama strategist David Axelrod claimed that “most of the experts who have looked at this” have said that Paul Ryan’s plan to reform Medicare would put the program “in a death spiral” and “would raise costs on seniors by thousands of dollars.” A day earlier — as Representative Ryan was preparing to accept Mitt Romney’s offer to join his ticket — Obama campaign manager Jim Messina had said the plan involved “shifting thousands of dollars in health-care costs to seniors.”


None of this is true. Any expert who looks at Ryan’s plan — any intelligent and fair-minded person, really — can tell you the actual worst-case scenario for how much more it could make beneficiaries pay: $0.




The claim Axelrod and Messina are making is based on a hostile interpretation of an earlier version of Ryan’s proposal. Ryan has changed the proposal over the last year, however, and Romney has endorsed the new version. The Democratic criticism, applied to the new plan, is indisputably false.


The Romney-Ryan proposal — which has the support of liberal Democratic senator Ron Wyden of Oregon — would let senior citizens choose a coverage plan provided either by the federal government or by a private company. The government would defray the cost of purchasing the plan selected. The providers would submit bids showing the premiums they would charge to cover the benefits Medicare has traditionally offered. The second-lowest bid would set the amount the government would provide for each beneficiary.


Seniors who picked the second-cheapest provider would have their entire premium paid by the government, and seniors who picked the cheapest would get a check for the difference.




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Old 08-14-2012, 10:26 AM
 
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On CNN [yesterday], Obama strategist David Axelrod claimed that “most of the experts who have looked at this” have said that Paul Ryan’s plan to reform Medicare would put the program “in a death spiral” and “would raise costs on seniors by thousands of dollars.” A day earlier — as Representative Ryan was preparing to accept Mitt Romney’s offer to join his ticket — Obama campaign manager Jim Messina had said the plan involved “shifting thousands of dollars in health-care costs to seniors.”


None of this is true. Any expert who looks at Ryan’s plan — any intelligent and fair-minded person, really — can tell you the actual worst-case scenario for how much more it could make beneficiaries pay: $0.




The claim Axelrod and Messina are making is based on a hostile interpretation of an earlier version of Ryan’s proposal. Ryan has changed the proposal over the last year, however, and Romney has endorsed the new version. The Democratic criticism, applied to the new plan, is indisputably false.


The Romney-Ryan proposal — which has the support of liberal Democratic senator Ron Wyden of Oregon — would let senior citizens choose a coverage plan provided either by the federal government or by a private company. The government would defray the cost of purchasing the plan selected. The providers would submit bids showing the premiums they would charge to cover the benefits Medicare has traditionally offered. The second-lowest bid would set the amount the government would provide for each beneficiary.


Seniors who picked the second-cheapest provider would have their entire premium paid by the government, and seniors who picked the cheapest would get a check for the difference.




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Have you read Ryans plan and the CBO analysis instead of depending on Right/Left talking points?
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Old 08-14-2012, 10:49 AM
 
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Have you read Ryans plan and the CBO analysis instead of depending on Right/Left talking points?

Yes...have you?

Be sure you read the BI-PARTISAN one and not the one that Democrats pretend is the only one.
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Old 08-14-2012, 10:54 AM
 
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Yes...have you?

Be sure you read the BI-PARTISAN one and not the one that Democrats pretend is the only one.

Apparently you haven't. Come back again once you've read Ryans plan.
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Old 08-14-2012, 10:57 AM
 
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Apparently you haven't. Come back again once you've read Ryans plan.

LOL...already said I did, plus the CBO's.

What part of that don't you comprehend?

I guess YOU don't know that Obama even called Ryan's Budget a "serious proposal".

I guess you don't know that Obama's own debt commission (which he rejected) advanced many of Ryan's ideas as good solutions.
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Old 08-14-2012, 10:59 AM
 
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I think this sentence in the OP is the one that pertains to and disqualifies you:

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Any expert who looks at Ryan’s plan — any intelligent and fair-minded person, really — can tell youthe actual worst-case scenario for how much more it could make beneficiaries pay: $0.
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Old 08-14-2012, 11:14 AM
 
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This post is for fair minded people who seek the TRUTH about Paul Ryan's plan.

Even if you are an OBAMATRON, you should at least read this and learn that many of your talking points are bogus.

Then maybe you could debate with some actual facts even if you don't agree with his plan.

Otherwise, your like a parrot simply regurgitating what you've read on Daily Kos.
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Old 08-14-2012, 11:21 AM
 
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This dude is pretty much a spam bot just set them to ignore all his threads are lies on top of lies
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Old 08-14-2012, 11:26 AM
 
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This dude is pretty much a spam bot just set them to ignore all his threads are lies on top of lies

You poor, poor liberals are SO predictable.....

1) Never allow FACTS to interfere with your lies

2) Shoot the messenger when the contents of a post expose Liberals dogma is being fallacious
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Old 08-14-2012, 11:29 AM
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This dude is pretty much a spam bot just set them to ignore all his threads are lies on top of lies
The OP is one of the many Romney campaign worker sock puppets that post in this forum.
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